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I'm a Chinese shitizen, but I generally don't post in Chinese to avoid being suffering from other Chinese.
I'm physically a male, but I don't care how people think about my gender. I can be male, or female, or cat. But if you ask, I'd prefer to be referred to as male. Also, I support LGBT+ people, and I'm a copyleft. I don't think I'm too aggressive in arguing things, but sometimes I do. You should handle it with care.
I post about programming (most time is Java and Kotlin, unless I have a new love), and some random things I find interesting. I also post about my mental health, which is in a stable state of instability, thanks to my parents and Chinese society.
Anyway, if you want to follow me, I'm glad to see you. And, have a nice day.
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Greg K-H 从 kernel 维护者列表中移除数位与俄罗斯相关的维护者。
lore.kernel.org/~
- patch 解释称这是由于「合规性要求」。
- 被移除维护者的主要共通点是大多使用 .ru 后缀的邮箱。
- 关于此维护者列表的作用及此 patch 对 kernel 开发的影响，请参见 [seealso]。
seealso: https://t.me/CE_Observe/36223
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当然了，开先河这个事儿吧，我觉得影响也没那么大，好多事情都能看出一些端倪。就算开了这个开源软件政治化的先河，有些有良心的维护者也会反对这样做，而早想这么做的人，你几乎都可以从他们以往的行为和发言看出来——开了这个先河之后他们肯定会这么做，之前只是碍于脸面和不想承受潜在的批评不敢做。
小时候觉得最有用的是知识，现在觉得最有用的还是良知和理性。
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Of course, that commit will set a precedent for this matter, I don't think the impact is that significant. Many things can reveal some clues. Even if the precedent of politicizing open source software is set, some conscientious maintainers will oppose it, and those who have long wanted to do so, you can almost tell from their past actions and statements — after setting this precedent, they will definitely do so, they just hesitated before due to face-saving and not wanting to bear potential criticism.
When I was young, I thought knowledge was the most useful, but now I think the most useful things are conscience and rationality.
High quality picture from https://github.com/torvalds/linux/pull/988#issuecomment-2434649517
You have to let the bullet fly for a while.
A thought other than comments:
Although I usually suggest that people go fuck themselves if they don't like my code, that is something I clearly wrote in the Readme. Almost all of my recent projects, I will emphasize in the readme that I do not commit to any new feature development and maintenance.
But for Linus, all we get is "various compliance requirements". Then himself came out and started saying the history between Finland and Russia, that's revolting.
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Translate of the chat:
Me: Why did zzz also attack ru?
Me: Are all maintainers of open source projects so stingy?
Friend: He (zzz) supports lgbt and opposes racial discrimination
Friend: The ideology is the opposite of most Russian developers
Friend: Probably supports Ukraine
Me: Oh
Me: Supporting lgbt is good
Me: Opposing racial discrimination is also good
Me: Supporting Ukraine is not wrong, after all, Russia invaded them first
Me: But these things cannot be imposed on individual developers
Me: It was not the ru developers who invaded Ukraine
Friend: orignal is more anarchic and free, it doesn't care about anything, just make an address book and submit it casually, as long as it is not abused
Friend: Yes
Me: Of course, if the developer publicly persecutes lgbt, discriminates against a specific race, and promotes that the Russian invasion is right, then he should be kicked out
Friend: It's about the same, anyway, the project should not be related to political ideology
Me: A project can have its own stance
Me: But you can't persecute others because of this stance
Me: Generally speaking, your community must have clear rules
Me: For example, what kind of behavior or speech is not allowed here
Me: But Linus said in general terms that it is because of various compliance requirements
Me: What compliance requirements
Me: It’s a fucking open source project, it doesn't need to compile with your fucking regulations
Friend: Yes
Friend: I’m dying of laughter
锐评之外的一点想法 虽然我平时说不喜欢我的代码就滚，但这也是我明确写在Readme里面的，几乎我后来的所有项目，我都会在readme里面强调我不承诺任何新功能开发和维护。 但是Linus这个事儿吧，就一个各种合规理由，然后自己出来又开始讲历史，实在有些下头。 要我说linux内核也该分裂一...
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It is boring for us to have different distros. Let's divide the kernel and have different flavors of kernels.
Fuck ya!
It is boring for us to have different distros. Let's divide the kernel and have different flavors of kernels.
Fuck ya!
锐评之外的一点想法
虽然我平时说不喜欢我的代码就滚，但这也是我明确写在Readme里面的，几乎我后来的所有项目，我都会在readme里面强调我不承诺任何新功能开发和维护。
但是Linus这个事儿吧，就一个各种合规理由，然后自己出来又开始讲历史，实在有些下头。
要我说linux内核也该分裂一下，不然光有各种发行版本也有些无聊
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Linus Torvalds 在邮件列表支持此移除贡献者之举动，并批判 thread 中的质疑者。
邮件中 Linus 称质疑者缺乏历史知识、是「俄罗斯喷子」 (Russian trolls) 或「疑似水军」。
phoronix.com/~
seealso: https://t.me/aosc_os/637
thread: /4615
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把这个事情推到制裁更是可笑。真俄罗斯间谍想高搞破坏会用.ru域名的邮箱吗？反troll的话linus本人在邮件列表troll了十年二十年又怎么说。总之，就是一团乱麻，从美国政策到linus本人都是一团乱。
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我对linus还是比较失望的。不过归根结底他不是rms，信念是不一样的。但是就算假设这个事情动机正确（注意我也并不认同这个动机），实施方式仍然太糟糕了。 说回来2018年linus说休息一下 "how to understand people’s emotions and respond appropriately." 结果过了6年（是covid害的吗你说？？）比当年还糟糕。也真是服了。 https://www.wired.com/story/linuxs-creator-is-sorry-but-will-he-change/
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> As to sending me a revert patch - please use whatever mush you call brains. I'm Finnish. Did you think I'd be *supporting* Russian aggression? Apparently it's not just lack of real news, it's lack of history knowledge too.
So those Russian developers are the key to the Russian's aggression? And they invaded Finland in the last century too?
At least I won't randomly ban Japanese developers and mentioning Japan once invade China during WWII.
> As to sending me a revert patch - please use whatever mush you call brains. I'm Finnish. Did you think I'd be *supporting* Russian aggression? Apparently it's not just lack of real news, it's lack of history knowledge too.
So those Russian developers are the key to the Russian's aggression? And they invaded Finland in the last century too?
At least I won't randomly ban Japanese developers and mentioning Japan once invade China during WWII.
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All contributors are equal, but some contributors are more equal than others. 
> It's entirely clear why the change was done
It's not clear to me. There is no guideline or rules about the remove, and there is no evidence that those maintainers violating the rules. So that's basically executing someone because they're likely to be a murder?
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Linus Torvalds affirms expulsion of Russian maintainers
https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/23/linus_torvalds_affirms_expulsion_of/
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宣传一下友邻的新文章！友邻说是出于一种“要让世界知道中国的fanfiction作者经历了什么”的义愤进行的项目。
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11133-024-09567-9
Censorship and Creative Communities: Fragility and Change of Fanfiction Writing in China
Maybe we should start a fork or find some alternatives for Linux kernel due to "various compliance requirements"?
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Several Linux Kernel Driver Maintainers Removed Due To Their Association To Russia
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Russian-Linux-Maintainers-Drop
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Patch author's response:
https://lore.kernel.org/all/444fa53bdfdee75522a1af41655a99b0@aosc.io/
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**I have a job now!**
I'm a Chinese shitizen, but I generally don't post in Chinese to avoid being suffering from other Chinese.
I'm physically a male, but I don't care how people think about my gender. I can be male, or female, or cat. But if you ask, I'd prefer to be referred to as male. Also, I support LGBT+ people, and I'm a copyleft. I don't think I'm too aggressive in arguing things, but sometimes I do. You should handle it with care.
I post about programming (most time is Java and Kotlin, unless I have a new love), and some random things I find interesting. I also post about my mental health, which is in a stable state of instability, thanks to my parents and Chinese society.
Anyway, if you want to follow me, I'm glad to see you. And, have a nice day.
Alt: @skyblond
Joined Dec 2020
