oh my fking god. I am TRYING to do research for my book right now but I am getting DISTRACTED by the fact that I followed a citation from a paper into another paper and learned that they're interpreting EEG and eyetracking as a way to sort people into "in the flow" or "not in the flow" I AM GOING TO EFFING LOSE IT
Movement dominates brain activity, and is ALSO a huge artifact in any skin conductance. So like THAT'S a confound in these conditions. Yet no details at all about how this is truly analyzed, because it's an off the shelf EEG "band" someone bought with some research cash I bet. This paper is "we thought this was cool and so we bought a lot of stuff and tried it."
somebody made like twelve tables for this paper. Just like, table after table of everything they could tally up. NOT ONE OF THESE THINGS SHOWS KEY INFORMATION ABOUT THE EEG. This is like the baseball statistics version of analysis. Just tallying up as many numbers as possible. "mean task completion" across like six people which tells us fuck all about fuck all stfu
look, it's not that I wish anything but healing upon these people who wrote this paper and don't know better. it's just that you're so underserved. You're so underserved and you don't even know it. Somebody is serving you up a plate of raw hamburger paired with rat shit in the back alley next to the dumpster and telling you it's fine dining. You (software developers) BUILD THE WORLD. YOU COULD GET A NICE MEAL ONCE IN A WHILE.
"finding relevant code" vs "not finding relevant code" are two sides of the classification how much do you want to bet this is essentially categorizing scrolling and skimming vs "not scrolling and reading" which is, again, A MOTOR MOVEMENT among many other things
The obsession with the idea that we are detecting "higher order problem-solving" via Secret Signals in the Skin
I forced my neuroscientist wife to look at this paper from a signal processing POV because she's actually published on the complex math of signal processing (and because I am not above outsourcing my complaining) and in her characteristically gentle spirit she said "many things could be extremely misleading, there's no way to know with what is being reported" I am going to translate that for you: GARBAGE IN GARBAGE OUT
Do you all want to know something super funny, the lab I did my PhD in actually did EEG work as well and THIS is why I NEVER talk about it, early in my tech career someone was like "omg you should put on your resume that you can do EEG and eye tracking and your entire career in UX will be set!" And I said no thank you, I will never! And ever since then people have mistakenly said I was "Qualitative" and maybe "not a scientist" but I sleep at night, so
Baffled by the idea that we should divide brain states into two categories that seem to mean "thinking about stuff" and "chilling" and some of these activities under the "chill" category do not sound chill at all unless we're talking about taking a nap
Stress is mentioned as a possible threat to validity when I think it's probably actually the entire ball game if you're forcing people to solve a coding task in a lab setting
Stress+ motor movements, that's what I see
There is something so bleakly funny to me about the fact that they list out the Greek letters for brain waves and then DO NOT show you this data with any specificity because they did not analyze it, their "off the shelf device" gave them two categories which they then tried to map onto coding "states" (I am guessing).
I followed a different citation to a completely different paper which is doing roughly the same thing but with heart rate data
I would like someone to look me in the eyes and explain to me, in physiological detail, the theoretical model under which we can make a causal claim about SPECIFICALLY Flow State SPECIFICALLY because of how the heart is beating
ok, so we have a manipulation that's supposed to create "Flow state" (it's always goddamn flow state) and the manipulation failed the validity checks, so instead of thinking the manipulation maybe doesn't reliably create "Flow state", we're going to exclude the sessions that failed the validity check, mmmmhmmmmmmmmmmmm
"a flow detection model using end-to-end deep learning" I Want. To. Walk. Into. The. Ocean.
adding one of the physiological measures makes one of the classifications worse, and another one better! Instead of concluding "perhaps these physiological measures are WILDLY BIZARRE TO USE FOR THIS" we conclude there is something magic about the second task idk
oh, if you're wondering if there is STRESS + MOTOR MOVEMENT involved in the tasks of this experiment again you would be correct
no wonder they had to come up with their own little ML venues, psych and neuro would eat this shit ALIVE people would be meme-ing your paper within thirty seconds
so sad and baffling to me when the lit reviews of software research on developers decides to pick these citations as its ground truth of evidence, not, you know, anyone who studies human beings or has ever experienced the human body for a reflective moment
amazing to me how often people come up with a rote task design (like playing a repetitive game) to get people to zone out, and then measure a bunch of stuff and give it the ol razzle dazzle of analysis (I think some of this math is just fine, it's a perfectly fine way to sort things! It's just that the math doesn't solve the problem here! At all!), and THEN say, "we now take this to be a conclusion about what happens when people face wildly novel and unexpected tasks" I MEAN
look me in the eyes and hold my hand and explain to me why these two different things are actually the same thing and also distinguishable by your heart, and that we didn't just come up with this because measuring heart stuff was super easy and came with a fun wrist monitor and now we're justifying groupings post hoc
because I hate myself I'm reading one of the papers THIS paper cites and they are talking about how prefrontal activity "may be necessary" during the performance of skills I mean sometimes you just have to be like, "you're not wrong, but" let's just measure dead people vs not dead people and be done with it
what really gets me is, even in these extremely poorly conceived and baffling studies, most of them have mixed results, and then they are cited as NOT having mixed results but instead providing PROOF of something in the next paper up the chain, leading me to once again conclude I am alone on an island, reading original claims as if there is meaningful information in them, as if the scientific record is an actual thing that we can actually engage in, so silly
@grimalkina there should be a @hertzpodcast about this