@marbresbizarres Why are you so concerned to the point of feeling isolated, etc? This is a genuine question, not sarcasm. Do you have a condition that makes you more likely to become severely ill if you contract Covid? The fact is, if someone is vaccinated annually and has no underlying health conditions, he is far less likely to have a serious reaction to Covid. I don't see why, under normal circumstances, we need to act as if we're in the early days of the pandemic. But if you want to wear a mask, certainly, no one is stopping you.
@dandylover1 when someone is experiencing emotional distress, that is not the time to demand they justify their health choices to you (if ever). You should delete your response before it upsets OP.
Anyway the better question would be why you’re NOT concerned with immune system and repeated organ damage.
@gemini6ice I'm not demanding anything. I'm asking a simple question. If someone can't answer a basic question, it's best not to post about the problem. In any case, I do get vaccinated and am very rarely in large crowds, etc. so I am not very concerned about it personally.
Julia Doubleday was vaccinated and did not go into crowds. She had a friend over at one point, got Covid, and now has long Covid with crippling migraines that are close to impossible to treat. She is housebound and can no longer work.
People tell themselves that their risk is low. That they do no know anyone with long Covid. It is a way to cope with the situation. And the situation is that people who mask are mocked and cast out of society. If you want a semi-normal life, you have to accept repeated infections. You will be fine until you aren't.
@ABScientist @dandylover1 @gemini6ice
There are systemic health effects from *every* infection, is the thing. Julia and Physics Girl are good examples of the 5%+ (depending on how many infections you've had) who develop moderate to severe Long COVID effects.
But just the autoimmunity, vascular and brain damage, and immune dysfunction that happens from *every infection* should keep folks in masks for the foreseeable future.
@johnzajac @ABScientist @dandylover1 @gemini6ice @graydon The best argument I can think of for colonizing Mars (although it's unethical in practice): we have a captive population who can be quarantined from ALL known pathogens, thereby giving us a colony-sized petri dish for doing clinical trials of what human life would be like if we could magically vaccinate against EVERYTHING. (E.g. no rabies if you don't ship lyssavirus-infected cell cultures to Mars; ditto chickenpox, mumps, common colds.)
@cstross @ABScientist @dandylover1 @gemini6ice @graydon
While it wouldn't eliminate all known pathogens, if you simply installed upper-room UV and modern ventilation in public schools and healthcare facilities you'd see population health effects in less than a decade, and probably a collapse of cancer, mood disorder, and obesity numbers a couple decades later.
We really are living through our Semmelweis moment, but for cleaning the air. And everyone is acting just as 🤦♂️ as they did last time.
@johnzajac @cstross @ABScientist @dandylover1 @gemini6ice @graydon
UV? Isn't UV exposure linked to skin cancer and eye damage?
@yeswap @johnzajac @cstross @ABScientist @dandylover1 @gemini6ice @graydon
Upper room uv if properly installed never would directly irradiate eyes or skin https://www.epa.gov/indoor-air-quality-iaq/what-upper-room-ultraviolet-germicidal-irradiation-uvgi-what-hvac-uvgi-can
