Note to anyone who references the #ParadoxOfTolerance. What Karl Popper said was;
"If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant..."
With the exception of a few naive teenage libertarians, nobody is advocating *unlimited* tolerance. We're just arguing against abandoning tolerance to the point of dehumanizing people who hold intolerant views.
So the vast majority of handwaves at the PoT are slaughtering strawmen. The obvious response being to quote Nietzsche...
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"Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you."
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@strypey out of curiosity, does your native language have a term (or terms) for tolerance?
English is an ... inadequate language (free/libre/open source software #FLOSS people know it!). Tolerance might mean different things to different people.
Personally, a native term close to tolerate I know basically means "withstand". I wouldn't make a virtue of people having to withstand too many things. With that background, tolerance (if different from withstanding) seems wholly artificial.
@tetrislife
TBH tolerance is a bit of a placeholder word. It doesn't fully fit any of the contexts where it's widely used. In general, we want to include, welcome, and celebrate people, not merely 'tolerate' them. For anyone that's not true of, because of hateful ideology or obnoxious behavior, the appropriate word might be 'patience'. Which I think is basically what forbearance means.
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@tetrislife
I've held space many times, for friends having psychotic breaks. It's not unknown for people in that state to become violent, even deadly. If I can be patient with them, in person, there's very few people online I can't be patient with.
Now some people can't do that, or just don't want to. That's needn't be seen as a failing on their part. But it is a limitation, and I'm glad not to be limited in that way. I suspect my friends and their families and communities are too.
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@strypey @tetrislife "forbearance" seems like a good term - one is not compelled to see things charitably or pejoratively to sense that clamping down on every action or expression of a type ill-serves peace, justice and practicality in the long run. One can still respond but with room to temporize beneficially and avoid imprecision that undermines general support for shared principles.
@tetrislife
> does your native language have a term (or terms) for tolerance?
English is my mother tongue. I only started to study Te Reo Māori - the indigenous language of the country - at high school.
But OTTOMH the word that comes to my mind is "manaakitanga"
https://maoridictionary.co.nz/word/3426
A search for "tolerance" in the some online dictionary offers a range of results:
https://maoridictionary.co.nz/search?idiom=&phrase=&proverb=&loan=&histLoanWords=&keywords=tolerance+
The one that caught my attention was "forbearance"'.
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