Life is Tetris @tetrislife@qoto.org

@mindaslab becoming an exceptional speck by cutting away everything common with others is not human.

@mindaslab it seems that you believe in binaries, that things are either this way or that way with no other possibility. This leads to illogical equivalences like "if others are not switching to samskrta or Hindi, they are against samskrta or Hindi". Obviously, people can be balanced and not make out everything else to be a problem.

@mindaslab if you have temple consecration texts in Tamizh, then you can look down on our common language. Since you look down on Hindi too, it appears that you are actually against TN having commonality with the rest of the country. This is exceptionalism, and there are equally great local cultures all over the country who don't deny their commonality.

@mindaslab samskrta hymns are not built up into a problem in any state other than TN. All states have ancient cultures, which don't have any problem with samskrta. Local languages have been hit by English - kudos to TN and Kerala for not falling prey.

Without some temple consecration rules text in Tamizh, and a problem due to another Indian language, this rejection of commonality with the rest of India is baseless. When the US acts up like this, it is called American exceptionalism.

@mindaslab what is the diversion? Do you want hymns in multiple languages to be sung everywhere? They are! samskrta and local language - Prakrit/Pali/Hindi, Gujarati, Marwari, Bhojpuri, Marathi, Kannada, Telugu, Tamizh. You can't have Tamizh hymns in Rajasthan, unless you want Marwari hymns in TN.

Maybe the Cholas weren't crusaders or jihadis, so Gangaikonda Cholan didn't force North India (or Cambodia) to switch to Tamizh or force Tamizh words into the local language. That was a good thing.

@mindaslab what is the diversion? I asked about worship in Tamizh in temples, and you answered.

Also, you make it sound like Tamizh was driven out of temples before the Cholas. I don't know what to say to that.

Temple consecration rules themselves are in samskrta, so I don't know where the indicators of worship in Tamizh come from.

All indications are that Tamizh outside of temples is a really ancient culture, which everybody is proud of whether they care about samskrta or not.

@mindaslab it will be interesting if organic farming exponent Pamayan has anything to say about this. He has a great hold on Tamizh literature and language, and analyzes with an open mind. If you find a video, please watch and maybe point it out to me too.

@mindaslab I don't understand. Are you saying TN temples had worship in Tamizh from before the Dravidian movement?

I doubt either #samskrta or #tamizh were Western-like; they didn't annihilate, which is why you had all regional cultures flourishing, even with samsrkta in South India or Tamizh having a chance to enter North India, Cambodia etc. where the Cholas went.

@mindaslab keeping Tamil culture is good to hear.

I don't see much evidence of either Aryans being aliens or Dravidians being unique; there is clear similarity among all South Indians, North Indians are different, North East people are different. And the Roma people in Europe are of Indian descent. And the Hakki Pikki tribe in India is of African descent.

I think the West focuses on differences (genes) instead of similarities (culture), because it has always been about divide-and-rule. Why play along?

@mindaslab does it mean it wasn't there, or that it isn't there elsewhere still? Not wanting it seems to be the norm (modernity is one of the West's ways of eradicating pesky traditional culture, Dravidianism is a manifestation of that).

Seems sad that one of the richest cultures (TN) is not appreciated by its own.

Practical aspects too get lost, TN gets rice from Punjab apparently!

@flaki a #Mumble server with #Mumla client on Android? I am not a gamer, which is where Mumble and Discord supposedly emerged, so I don't have firat-hand experience. But it should be the lowest overhead option.

@mindaslab it is sad that we don't know what our ancients passed down (it definitely wasn't the hocus-pocus the West has had, but the colonial system wants us to think it was similar).

BTW, thank you for being forthright and not being the conformist fashes so many are on social media. I disagree with ½ of what you say in your other messages, but am glad you are saying it.