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@erincandescent @dl

In fact, I'm possibly more perplexed by the excessive use of defederation/suspension over more nuanced forms of content flow restriction such as silencing/limiting.

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@erincandescent @dl
In some sense, the #Fediverse has already had its #EFNet moment with Gab. Still, with the massive growth it's experiencing now, and will probably experience in the future, the threat model associated with “too lax onboarding” (so to say) is real.

That being said, I'm more worried about instances getting too large to be properly moderated than by the “federate by default”.

Mastodon has changed how I think. Twitter now seems like a server that doesn't want to federate with anyone else, and that everyone else has blacklisted. I'm in awe of how much sense that makes.

@bhorst , that would have to be in the future. One step at a time.

BTW, did you know you could use RSS with a lot of sources? Fits well with more privacy as well.

@arianagf greetings, on the fediverse. If I recall right, I have watched you interview Vandana Shiva in a YT video.

@terokeskivalkama @rolle I don't know more about this, but apparently it is possible to run Pleroma (which should be interoperable with Mastodon) on a Raspberry Pi. Mastodon itself requires quite a lot of resources.

pleroma.social/

> freedom and autonomy could also affect misinformation due to reduced moderation

This naivety is infuriating. As anyone here probably knows, federated social media has more moderation, not less, because every instance has at least one mods (the admin). Misinfo/disinfo flows are limited by instance level blocks of accounts posting it, and defederation of instances that routinely host that kind of posting activity. But no moderation can stop folks existing in their own...

> pockets of extremism

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One thing that's getting a little lost in this mix, is that some of the people desperately holding on at Twitter are because they are trapped by either healthcare or visas.

That there are systemic traps that trap worker in America so they feel unable to move freely to new employers who want them and would have better pay or conditions is *nuts* and deserves a lot more attention than it gets.

Here's a comment for incoming Twitter users: I've found that some are really put off by the way Mastodon requires push and pull to get to information. Rather than Elmo telling you what to read (and steering you to most incendiary content), you have to go look for it and choose to consume it. Most notably, I've come to think of "Content Warnings" as instead subject lines, just like you'd use in an email, so readers can scan whether they want to read further.

The taboo on making a living has already resulted in exploitation on the Fediverse.

For example, all these press accounts on free instances fun by volunteers.

What's going to happen if they continue on those free instances and don't self-host? They'll start asking for support. And that support is going to take a lot of time and labour.

Are those press accounts going to pay voluntarily? Probably not -- but they'll feel entitled to service anyway.

What should they actually do? Start their own instance, pay someone to run it. That expectation should be *normalized*.

But if that's not normalized, people will again fall into the trap of "free". And that means becoming the product, much like they were the product on Big Social.

Yeah, not everyone can afford to pay for usage, and everyone should still be able to use the Fediverse for free as an option.

But if you're in a position of privilege, and have money to compensate workers -- pay them!

Hello! #introduction

My name's Alex, I wasn't on the birdsite but I'm excited about the idea of a decentralized/federated social network so I thought I'd join

I've got some experience in software engineering and site reliability, but mostly I learned that I don't know anything at all :)

I'm interested in a broad range of topics, more often that not that means stalking these hashtags #emacs #nixos #guix #haskell #erlang #scheme

Hilarious. Those that don't know history are doomed to repeat it.

Two way RSS... Hmm so kind of like ActivityStreams 1 (activities for RSS) and Salmon or PUbSubHubub delivery. We called this OStatus  back in the day. In fact there was quite a large network supporting two-way RSS.  

"There should be a new address for a user. Here's an idea -- let DNS do it."



Tying an identity to a specific machine. Yeah, we've done that also. In fact ActivityPub still does it today. The only problem is that those machines sometimes fail and when they do,  you no longer exist. Brilliant.

The official Mastodon app was missing too many features compared to the web UI, but Tusky seems great so far.

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@strypey @tetrislife @mike @TiberiusReigns @jupiter_rowland Or, you know, maybe even just a blog or two talking about why this cool project is so very cool, because of all the cool things you can do with it that you can't do with those other more popular but far less cool projects.

But no, it's just lotsa landing pages with one-sixth of the screen taken up with a stylized icon and the words "Social Media", as if that says anything about what sets this project apart from others.

@pre @rysiek @aral

Ipfs is probably the possible approach: each message is addressed by its sha256 hash, and there's metadata on top of them, which is also stored as ipfs messages.

@rysiek @aral
I agree we should have small instances, but that exasperates the problem if having to send a job for every server following you. Would mean sending more jobs to more small instances instead of one job to a big one.

Some way to bit-torrent the data around the network may be important if we star to get people with hundreds of thousands of followers.

The thing about Twitter is that it really lacks a lot of the features you'd expect from a true Mastodon replacement.

For example, there's no way to edit your toots (which they, confusingly call "tweets"—let's face it, it's a bit of a silly name that's difficult to take seriously).

"Tweets" can't be covered by a content warning. There's no way to let the poster know you like their tweet without also sharing it, and no bookmark feature.

There's no way to set up your own instance, and you're basically stuck on a single instance of Twitter. That means there's no community moderators you can reach out to to quickly resolve issues. Also, you can't de-federate instances with a lot of problematic content.

It also doesn't Integrate with other fediverse platforms, and I couldn't find the option to turn the ads off.

Really, Twitter has made a good start, but it will need to add a lot of additional features before it gets to the point where it becomes a true Mastodon replacement for most users.

#twitter #mastodon #twittermigration

@ajsadauskas @TeacherGriff love it! I keep seeing tweet after tweet of ppl who took one look at one Mastodon instance with rules they didn’t like & noped away from all of Mastodon, and the replies are all “Wow, never going there!” And for a couple days I tried to correct the misperceptions…then realized, “Ah well, they’ll find some social app they like, eventually.”

@softinio @dekkzz78 I don't use but it has always sounded right for every machine in a network except the daily driver machines. It looks like 'drawterm'ing from a daily driver into a Plan9 system is a popular way to work with it. A minimal system like Plan9 is what I would want on my router (and my NAS). Granted, actively using Plan9 makes sense only for techies. For others, even Linux doesn't make as much sense as, say, .

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