Paul Ryan has a lot of actually interesting and accurate things to say this interview. It’s worth a read. But I would note that the interviewer does a great job of getting him to almost admit that poor people deserve to be poor because they aren’t doing enough to make themselves wealthier. Ryan refuses to believe that some people will always be at the bottom of the economic heap, no matter what they do because systemic issues prevent them from rising. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/03/06/magazine/paul-ryan-interview.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare