@leyonhjelm @valleyforge I hear it may wear out your parts faster and cause more fouling but I only have 100 rounds to go thru between 2 pistols, I don't imagine anything catastrophic will happen, I'm just happy to have some at all

@su

I've heard some people have had issues switching between steel and brass due to the coatings manufacturers use to avoid rust, but if you find any such problems, a good cleaning should do the trick. No idea if it's true or not. I think that was with AR and possibly AK but it's been a while since I heard it.

@valleyforge

@leyonhjelm @valleyforge with semi automatics, something about the steel not expanding, making the fouling worse and also steel wearing out the "extractor". gosh I don't know, I'm so new at this and yes, there are a million opinions out there. We'll find out today if I blow my face off or lose a finger! Especially with this russian Wolf ammo. Oh well you only live once!

@su

For two boxes, I wouldn't worry about it unless things aren't working right when you try it.

@valleyforge

@leyonhjelm @valleyforge that's what I was thinking, too. I'll know for sure because so far, mine has eaten 4-5 different kinds and hasn't had any ftf or fte or whatever so far and I try not to limp wrist and do it right

@su

Yep. Unless you're doing something old or particularly sketchy, I wouldn't worry about it. As far as my 9mm pistols, I wouldn't take a lot of chances with my 1916 Luger but my Walther P38? FN Hi Power? CZ-75? Those would all be fine.

@valleyforge

@leyonhjelm @valleyforge mine is walther, a ccp m2. I've tried the PPQ q5 match, but I'm afraid of it just yet.
Wow you have a p38, is it from the war?
I like the way they look and also ppk. I initially looked at luger but I think I couldn't find any. Seems like walther folks like cz a lot and say they're really nice

@su

Nothing quite so fancy, mine's a civilian-model from the 1960s (basically a P1 since it has the lighter frame but still marked P38). Honestly it's probably my least favourite gun I own. But it is reliable from the few rounds I've put through it.

Lugers are expensive and mostly out of production save for some very niche boutique reproductions like Lugerman's .45 model. The asshat Wehraboo collectors have driven up prices beyond reasonable levels for what is a fun and interesting but not very reliable pistol. Mine needs repairs, again. Breech block, then extractor, and now there's an issue with blowing primers. And the trigger has never been right. It's accurate as hell though.

Just take the opportunity when someone like me offers to let you try it at the range and don't waste your money on one.

@valleyforge

@leyonhjelm @valleyforge sounds like I made the right choice. I initially chose mine because it's easier to rack but I've found the trick where I can rack anything, even though I have trouble with pickle jars. I had no trouble racking a ppq.
I like the external safety and long trigger pull, I feel like I'm not going to accidentally shoot myself. Since I don't understand how a trigger safety is supposed to work. I have a lot to learn.
What's your favourite one?

@su

Of my pistols? My 1911A1. Followed closely by my CZ-75 SP-01 and my FN Hi Power. Which I like better depends on the day, I love them both.

If you're ever after a fun cheap shoot though, Browning's 1911-22 is a ton of fun both single and dual handed. I could go play with just that and still have a great time at the range.

@valleyforge

@leyonhjelm @valleyforge I shot a 1911 .40 or .45, I don't know, something that starts with 4. The recoil made my whole hand tingle, wrist and all. I hit the gong/flapper thing, though! I really want a .22 just to mess around with, just don't know which one. When you say 1911-22, that's .22lr right?

@leyonhjelm @valleyforge ok I looked it up, I want this one. I want an American .22 to play with and a Browning with wood grips looks nice. Thanks for your help

@su @valleyforge We have one in .380 also but that needs to go in for warranty, doesn't always strike the primer. I need to contact Browning on that still, everything happened right as all this 2020 shit was starting.

@su

If you're looking for American .22LR rifles as well, I really enjoy the Ruger 10/22 Takedown, though my wife prefers the S&W M&P 15-22

@valleyforge

@leyonhjelm @valleyforge I'd like to get a rifle. I have a mossberg shotgun that's a 410 but I don't really fool with it. I'd like a nice shotgun to see if I can get a turkey

@su

Sounds tasty to me

@valleyforge

@su A friend of mine hunts turkey quite a bit and he said that he switched to a rifle in .17 HMR. It allows to take the turkey at a much greater distance than a shotgun. Of course, you must check local regulations to see if that kind of cheating is permitted. My friend lives in New Mexico.
@leyonhjelm @valleyforge

@gat
I was just thinking tonight about what kind of rifle I needed for turkeys, thanks for this info

@leyonhjelm @valleyforge

@su

It is. I have one and my wife has one. 10+1 in .22LR, 85% size. Weighs 1 pound or so, I think that's even loaded but I don't recall for sure. Mine's a 1911A1 style and hers is a fancier one, Black Label I think.

@valleyforge

@su @leyonhjelm @valleyforge It was probably a .45. 1911s are most often chambered in .45, but occasionally you’ll see them chambered in 9mm or .38 super. I believe Springfield Armory for a brief period made an officer-size 1911 chambered in .40 S&W. Colt makes a 1911 chambered in 10mm, but most people who have experience with 1911s believe that 10mm is too high-pressure for prolonged use on a 1911 platform.

@ThreeOneThreeChris

I'm a believer in .45 for 1911, and if you want a close equivalent experience in 9mm Luger, go with a CZ-75 or a Hi Power. But I've tried a S&W Custom Shop 1911 in 9mm Luger that I wouldn't have hesitated to buy if they'd been selling. How it ended up under a rental counter is probably an interesting story of its own.

@su @valleyforge

@leyonhjelm @su @valleyforge For 9mm, don’t forget the mighty old Smith & Wesson 5906. Those things were built like battleships. It’s a real shame Smith & Wesson stopped making all-steel semi-autos. Those were some of the best pistols ever made. They don’t even offer them through their custom shop anymore.

@ThreeOneThreeChris

How is magazine availability in 15 round? Most of the production was during the 90s so I'd imagine most available mags are 10 round. At that point I'd rather just carry 8+1 of .45 in a single stack.

@su @valleyforge

@leyonhjelm @su @valleyforge I don’t own a 5906, so I haven’t been keeping track of magazine availability, but I imagine https://gunmagwarehouse.com/ might be a good place to look if Gunbroker doesn’t have any listed.

@ThreeOneThreeChris

I've bought from them before, had no complaints

@su @valleyforge

@ThreeOneThreeChris @leyonhjelm @valleyforge
It rattled me good, that's for sure, but it was fun.

Ok here's the results of steel case. The group in the large middle area is with my ccp and winchester steel, I had one ftf but no fte. The bottom right was with ppq q5 match and russian ammo, I had lots of fte but I sure shot better with it. I don't know what happened with my ccp and for some reason, it hurt my trigger finger, but it's really cold out

@su

Curious whether it was lacquered. I've wondered about the truthiness of those claims about lacquer.

@ThreeOneThreeChris @valleyforge

@leyonhjelm @ThreeOneThreeChris @valleyforge
I don't know but the russian ones looked shinier and the winchester looked dull, almost dirty and a little shrapnel fell out of the ccp/winchester. I think the russian ones worked better!

@su

You have to take into account that the Winchester is a "budget" style product and the Russian is probably their standard product.

@ThreeOneThreeChris @valleyforge

@leyonhjelm @ThreeOneThreeChris @valleyforge
It was definitely nicer, the Russian. I don't see any more fouling than normal, infact after blazer brass and aquila, they were much dirtier. I was expecting a mess but I'm really happy with the way wolf turned out. Well the box says wolf but the cartridge says "tula". I'd buy it again! Thanks for all the advice!

@su

That sounds about right, Tula is a major producer in Russia. I think Wolf might be one of their brands but I'm not sure. The way branding works for things coming out of foreign countries is odd sometimes


@ThreeOneThreeChris @valleyforge

@su @leyonhjelm @valleyforge Some of the lower-end Winchester ammo is made in Israel, which turns around outsources to India.

@ThreeOneThreeChris

I've had decent luck with IMI branded M855 but haven't tried anything else out of Israel on that front. Korean surplus M80 ball has been fine, as has been everything I've tried out of S&B. PPU is good enough brass but their lawyers seem to have too much of a hand in their load development for 8mm Mauser. In both my 29" and 24" barrels I have to push the sight up to 4-500 with that stuff to get a halfway close elevation. Can't judge the 7.65 Argentine of theirs fairly because it's a sporter and God only knows what that was sighted with when it was done.

@su @valleyforge

@ThreeOneThreeChris @leyonhjelm @valleyforge
I should ad, it was my fault for all the fte I had.
Mine says "usa forged" but I've never shot so bad since I've had it

@su @leyonhjelm @valleyforge As much as I can tell, the mild steel formulated for cartridge cases expands and contracts just as well as brass, so there's no issue with either obturation or extraction. Also, although it is harder than brass, it should be much softer than any gun parts. The famous Russian smoke has actually nothing to do with steel - it comes from additives to their gunpowder which help it maintain its stability over decades in storage. In 1983 in Russia, my unit still had some issued 7.62x39 ammunition in brass. That is about 30 years in warehouse. The smoke was about the same as with the more typical steel-cased ammunition (back then, the gray coating was not yet developed and only green lacquer existed). Make sure to read the Luck Gunner post in its entirety if you're interested, although it only deals with rifles: https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/brass-vs-steel-cased-ammo/

@gat @leyonhjelm @valleyforge
Thanks for the info I appreciate it. I just saw on ammoseek the other day, old czech ammo for $14.99usd, they didn't know what grain it was. I think it was ww2.
Yes mine are grey-coated. So I will be seeing some smoke? Well this is going to be exciting. Again thanks for the info