@izaya the liquid cooled stuff looks like it could be good
@valleyforge they're only 50 years late and still not competitive
@izaya the sportster s looks competative in its own segment
@valleyforge it's pretty laughable that they need 5x the displacement and double the weight to make 3x the power of a 250cc bike from the 90s
@izaya torque is pretty important
@valleyforge Only in that you need enough :)
@izaya That's not how physics works
@valleyforge One bike having less torque than another won't stop it from working, though, as long as it has enough.
@izaya more torque means a faster bike. Torque and horsepower are related
Torque is admittedly quite significantly different but if you're not a landwhale that seems like a fairly minor concern. I'd classify both as sport touring, though perhaps in opposite ends of the market (cheap, light, value for money vs expensive, heavy, paying for brand name)