It is comical the degree to which journalists treat everything as a both-sides debate until something happens to *them* at which point it's an unambiguous moral problem.
@seldo It's comical that conservatives are completely clueless about free speech.
The First Amendment applies to the government controlling speech--as in the Trump White House putting pressure on Twitter to remove links & unflattering stories.
Musk banning journalists critical of him is censorship, plain and simple. It's comical how conservatives support censorship while they claim to support "free speech."
But the next time conservatives have a coherent thought, it will be the first time!
@trueslicky @seldo Except, that's not what happened at all. That story is factually false.
Musk didn't ban journalists critical of him. He didn't ban anyone. His company, #Twitter, applied its terms of service against doxing, and whether I agree with those terms or not, it's a fundamentally different story than what you're promoting here.
But I recognize that your goal seems to be haranguing conservatives, facts be damned.
Personally, I'm liberal, but IMO part of being on that side of the scale involves calling out such nonsense.
@trueslicky @seldo "Nobody doxxed anything. Also, here's where someone doxxed."
Twitter counts posting real time information of a person's whereabouts as doxxing, which I don't think is an unreasonable definition.
Again, regardless of whether I do or don't agree with the policy, at least we should be honest about the story, that they broke highly publicized rules of the site.
There's no sense misleading people about what happened here.
@volkris @trueslicky Musk banning journalists is not censorship, only the government censors things. It's just a thing they don't like happening to them. But it's certainly not Twitter applying terms of service, the journalists did not dox anybody. Musk is being a dick and the journalists are mad, that's what happened.
I'm not sure how to break this to you, but retweeting a public statement by the LAPD is not "posting real time information of a person's whereabouts." And yes, journalists were given permanent suspensions for retweeting a public statement by the LAPD.
Let's review a timeline:
1. Elon says he's fine with the elonjets account on Twitter
2. Elon says he hopes his critics stay on Twitter.
3. Someone follows his car. Elon links this to the elonjets account somehow
4. Because I guess posting public information of where his jet flies provides coordinates of his car somehow.
5. Elon permanently suspends elonjets account & threatens legal action for psting public info.
6. Elon *then* announces new doxxing policy of "not reporting real time info."
7. In effect, the elonjets account is suspended for violating a doxxing policy that didn't exist yet. Minority Report much?
8. In response to attack on his car, LAPD releases statement that they have heard of an incident occurring & have reached out to Musk but not have gotten a response.
9. Tech beat writers covering Elon report the LAPD's statement.
10. Same tech beat writers find their accounts permanently suspended, including Ryan Mac from the New York Times, Drew Harwell from the Washington Post, Donie O'Sullivan from CNN, Matt Binder from Mshable, and Keith Olberman
11. Elon bans any Tweets linking to elonjets Mastodon account, which becomes a blanket ban of any and all Tweets linking to Mastodon. A blanket ban of a competitor? Sure sounds like a FTC violation!
12. Elon posts a poll asking if those suspended accounts should be reinstated. A plurality of respondents say "Yes. Restore now." Elon responds with "Wait a minute. I gave too many choices."
13. Elon posts a second poll asking the same thing, and gets the response.
14. Despite this blatant censorship committed by a billionaire who purchased and owns a major social media platform used throughout the world, @volkris somehow rejects this obvious fact.
15. @volkris believes the Retweeting of a public statement by LAPD is "doxxing of real time location."
16. Meanwhile, the Libs of Tik Tok posts *actual* location data of teachers, doctors, professors, etc & encouraging violence. Yet gets a pass.
"Free speech" does not equal "whatever a billionaire decides people can say that day."
It's laughable you call yourself a liberal @volkris while bending over backwards to justify censorship.
One of these days conservatives will learn just what the heck free speech is. The First Amendment is in regards to government cracking down on critical speech. That's it.
The First Amendment has nothing at all about corporate speech.
@trueslicky I just laugh that in your screed you managed to confirm that the boots were in response to violations.
You can argue that the policies were improper or improperly created or edited or stupid or whatever. I'd even generally agree with that.
But you yourself explained here how "Elon kicked off journalists!" is a very incomplete narrative, one that leaves so much out that it's basically false, or at the least very misleading.
So you illustrated my point in 17 bullet points.
@volkris Yes, me pointing out that "reporting on a public LAPD statement" doesn't fit any definition of doxxing, some how "confirms the boots were in response in violation."
Whatever you want to believe. Just curious: what color is the sky in your alternate reality?
Might I suggest you pull your head out of your ass? Clearly the lack of oxygen is having an impact.
@trueslicky The other thing I notice from your writing is how thoroughly you conflate #Musk and #Twitter, as if they are one in the same.
I mean, that idea enables some dramatic storytelling, but it misses how the world actually works in important ways.
We're right to criticize the idea of corporate personhood. Well, it's just as wrong to promote Twitter to that title.
@volkris Musk IS Twitter. Twitter IS Musk.
Or are you suggesting tat Twitter makes decisions separate from Musk?
Which is laughable and in no way reflects reality...
@trueslicky I just thought this gem from @trueslicky was especially funny.
This really captures how off the deep end so many people sound these days, with #Musk getting all the attention he's after. From people you wouldn't expect to want to reward him.
I'm willing to bet that @trueslicky really stands behind this post, so he won't mind being used as the example.
I wish people wouldn't feed into Musk's persona like this. It just keeps him on the scene.
@volkris Or, you know, you can prove me wrong.
But considering your insipid response, you can't. I understand.
@volkris Right, Twitter's Board of Directors is making decisions in the best direction of the company.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
@volkris a plane owned by SpaceX isn't any person
But...but...they "violated Twitter's terms of service by doxing!"
Such nonsense. Elon is engaging in censorship. Obvious fact is obvious.
Clearly "free speech" = "whatever billionaires feel like letting people say today."
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/12/elon-musk-restores-suspended-accounts-of-journalists
@trueslicky @seldo So all of the media outfits--fellow journalists, mind you--that have reported on the violations, they're all just lying?
It's all a big conspiracy among journalists to throw each other under the bus?
Or might it be possible that maybe, just maybe, some of these journalists aren't innocent and pure as the wind driven snow?
I really don't care about #Twitter. It was always a garbage site. I don't care about #Musk either.
But I really wish people wouldn't be so quick to deny facts and substitute their own realities for the sake of dramatic stories.
That does nobody any good.
@volkris @trueslicky literally no media outfit has corroborated Musk's claims. There's somebody lying but it's not them.
@seldo @volkris Not even media outfits, but the LAPD has also not corroborated Elon's claims.
But if you post the LAPD's statement not corroborating Elon's claims, you're "doxxing real-tme location." Or WTF ever.
TIL that neither Elon Musk or his sycophantic Musk Rats know WTF "doxxing" means. Sad.
Als, will someone check Elon's laptop all ready? We all know it's 100 percent full of child porn.
@volkris @trueslicky @seldo you're a bad liberal then, parroting half-baked right wing spin as if a moron
@volkris @seldo
Everything you said is false. Nobody doxxed anything. In fact, by posting a video of a car's license plate, the only person who doxxed anyone was.... Elon.
What's comical is just how pathetic you are.