And that's a great example of exactly what I'm saying:
IF this Politico article is accurately capturing the position (and I'm not saying it is) then the arguments being refuted above aren't part of the position being taken.
Without a specific citation for what's or who's being argued against, the critique is open to being waived off as misunderstanding, at best, the idea it's trying to counter.
If DeSantis said slavery was good because it Christianized those in chains, yeah, that would be a pretty awful stance to take, but that's not among the arguments that have been hitting the headlines, as the Politico article indicated.
@volkris @InkySchwartz @cadenza
This conversation isn't about proving a point about DeSantis. It's about larger trends in American culture and the way that older ideas are resurfacing.
You seem to think this is a debate? Or about proving some political point? It's not.
I'm interested in this idea of "guilt" and the notion the a purpose of accurate discussion of slavery is to cause guilt. It seems bonkers to me.
Well I would say that the discussion you are setting off on seems pretty disconnected from the larger trends in American culture since it doesn't seem to be referencing things that are going on in current events.
And so like I said, pointing to specific examples of the argument that you are criticizing would go a long way to clarify what you are trying to say.
@volkris @futurebird @InkySchwartz @cadenza
Hey the Black woman who ran the commission (or was head of department overseeing it) did in fact say that - that without slavery, she would be in Africa worshipping a tree. Maybe you think that isn't "thank God my ancestors suffered so I could become Christian" and if so please tell me how you read it?
I'm actually more curious as to how you read that.
I haven't looked up the contacts of her statements, but how do you see it?
@volkris @futurebird @InkySchwartz @cadenza
It's the "at least I got to be a Christian so too bad my ancestors were stolen, sent across the sea, beaten, raped, and worked for no money" that says this is a piss poor version of logic
Why are you keeping saying red is orange? Never mind, I'm this close to blocking you because you bring no examples of what you're saying and keep asking repetitive questions. Not seeming to be good faith at all.
Feel free to block! That is, after all, how this platform works. If you are not interested in hearing voices outside of your echo chamber you are entirely empowered to block those voices. It's 100% up to you.
But when I go and look at the underlying direct evidence, it doesn't match what is being claimed here. And that is why this is not particularly compelling to me.
When the issue is what I can see with my own eyes versus what other people are grousing about, well I have to go with what I can see with my own eyes, and I would encourage everyone else to review with their own eyes as well.
@volkris @futurebird @InkySchwartz I would suggest that you are deeply disconnected from history if you think what @futurebird is talking about isn’t relevant to current events.