Remember the thrill of catching breaking #USPolitics news events on Twitter by following posters who were generally on top of the latest happenings?
Well, a good source on Mastodon for this kind of thing is Laffy @GottaLaff.
@mastodonmigration @GottaLaff I don’t understand why anyone thinks they owe him any loyalty!?!?
Well, that's just how a proportion of the population is, a certain personality type basically, where the person values the concept of loyalty so highly that they will force themself to remain loyal pretty much no matter what.
It's not how *I* am and it sounds like you aren't either, but yep, I've known such people, and they also show up in research on interpersonal psychology.
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@volkris @mastodonmigration @GottaLaff that just sounds plain crazy. It’s like they’ve got blinders on. I support Biden, but if he committed half the crimes trump did, I’d drop him in a second.
it's just about different people having different values, with some people placing a VERY high value on the concept of loyalty.
Compare it to the famously high valuation that the Fast and Furious franchise puts on family :)
Many folks of that mindset don't have blinders and are well-aware of Trump's issues, but they simply value loyalty as such a lofty ideal that they would remain loyal despite those issues.
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@volkris @mastodonmigration @GottaLaff it’s amazing that they apparently value loyalty over racism, sexism, sexual harassment and trying to destroy the democracy of their nation. I hope I’m never that blinkered.
Well it's definitely different.
It's kind of like the family member who really hopes you (I don't mean you obviously I just mean the general you) can get your act together someday, and really disagrees with who you are today, and really thinks you are on the wrong path, maybe even really hopes you find Jesus, but because you are family they will stand beside you and do their best to help you be a better person even as you are a clear and utter mess today.
So many Trump supporters flat out say the guy is a ridiculously flawed human and they really hope he improves at some point.
So it's tricky to describe them as blinkered. It's just a different weighing of how to engage with other humans.
I don't know about YouTube and TV but as I listen to mainstream conservatives reading their articles online and listening to them on the radio they absolutely decry the guy's faults.
Radio might be the best example because they take a lot of callers from across the country who all talk about how the guy is so imperfect even if they support him.
So yeah I think it sounds like you are only seeing a small sample in the YouTube and TV that you are watching.
@volkris well I have my fingers crossed that trump with either end up in jail before the election or he will soundly defeated by Biden 🤞🏾🤞🏾
I just wish we had better options than these two jerks, and I wish Biden wouldn't engage in these prosecutions that make Trump so poised to even potentially be reelected.
@volkris there’s no one better than Biden to go up against trump. With all the positive Biden has done and his record voting numbers in 2020, he had to be the democratic choice.
You’re confused about the prosecutions happening to trump, they’re because he broke multiple laws. Everyone gets charged when they break laws, he’s no different.
No I'm not confused about the prosecutions happening to Trump, I am entirely on board with the notion that he broke multiple laws.
And no! Not everyone gets charged when they break laws. That's up to the executive as to who gets charged and who doesn't. We all break laws every single day. Just look at the number of people who speed on the street everyday without being charged. Prosecutorial discretion is a thing.
So at the end of the day there is a real question to whether society is better off or worse off if Biden charges Trump with crimes, considering that those charges are helpful to Trump's campaign, helping him get closer to being elected president.
Personally, I would rather Trump have gone on to live out his days ignored as a ridiculous former president now wasting away on a golf course rather than potentially being reelected due to the attention brought by these charges.
If these charges mean that Trump might be reelected, which they very well might, I would have rather not brought the charges if it meant him not being reelected.
@volkris that’s rubbish. The man attempted to destroy the democracy of a nation of 300 million people. There is zero chance that the DOJ wouldn’t charge him. Plus he attempted massive voter fraud in Atlanta. You seem to be equating his TREASON with an ordinary person jaywalking.
@Craktok I have no idea where you are getting that
@volkris I saw him attempt it with my own two eyes.
Did you?
Even the indictment points out that Trump was following the electoral count act in the lead up to the January election.
So I don't know what you could have seen with your own two eyes, him trying to overthrow an election that had not yet occurred.
@volkris ha ha ha, you trump goes always trying to gaslight. Unfortunately for you, my eyes can’t be gaslit. Try better.
It was written right there in the indictment.
@volkris I’m not sure what your point is, are you saying that trump hasn’t been indicted 3 times in the past couple of months? Including an attempt to overthrow the democracy of the country?
I'm saying that Biden's indictment of his political opponent is by its own terms factually without merit.
The indictment itself cites the law showing that Trump cannot have committed the offense it claims that he committed unless he somehow traveled in time, as it accuses him of trying to change an election that had not happened yet.
So the indictment itself is a stretch, a reach, by its own factual claims.
And we really need to hold Biden accountable for this screw up.
@volkris what are you talking about? What has Biden got to do with the indictment??? Are you confused?
No, Biden's administration indicted Trump for trying to change an election that hadn't occurred yet, and the indictment itself cited the timeline that pretty much admitted that it was not on solid factual grounds.
It's all right there in the indictment.
@volkris where are you getting this rubbish? The DOJ changed trump for his multiple crimes against the American people. That’s how the law works.
Yes exactly!
Biden's DOJ charged Trump with crimes that, in its own charging papers, are clearly factually off base.
In its own papers the DOJ indictment acknowledges that the law provides for the challenge that Trump made in the run up to the election that he supposedly tried to overturn before it had even happened.
Yes, that is how law enforcement works: The administration gets to accuse people of things, but that doesn't mean they actually did it, and in this case the charges are defeated by the acknowledgments in the indictment itself.
@volkris how do you keep getting it so wrong. The DOJ charged trump as he tried to destroy American democracy. The White House had nothing to do with it. It’s not so hard to understand.
@volkris @mastodonmigration @GottaLaff but the ones I see on social media, YouTube and TV all think he’s perfect and don’t believe anything said against him. Are they the majority or the minority???