As we are looking around for GOP members willing to put democracy over autocracy and country over party, I remind you that Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger and Elaine Lurie sacrificed their seats because of their service on the J6 Committee.
Role models for what I want in a public servant.
@jackiegardina You have it backwards.
Cheney, Kinzinger, and Lurie lost their elections because they acted counter to what their constituents wanted.
If we're talking about democracy, these three acted in undemocratic ways, and democracy called them out on it, booting them from their positions.
@volkris @jackiegardina She doesn’t have it backwards at all. Those that swear an oath to a person rather than to the Constitution has it backwards.
The Constitution directs that representatives represent.
These people didn't represent.
Thus they acted *against* the Constitution that they swore an oath to.
You may like the stance that they took, but let's be honest about their turning their backs on their jobs as representatives, turning their backs on democracy.
@volkris @jackiegardina You are full of it. Sure, many of their constituents believed that J6 was a tourist scene and many of those that weren’t complete idiots knew that J6 was an insurrection. But, some of those continue to vote republican no matter what goes on in the world. That’s the perfect example of standing for nothing. To lead does not mean supporting a group of insurrectionists, much like if someone is a racist and your friend, under no circumstances should you become a racist if you know better, and you know better. The Republicans not re-elected obviously refused to allow Trump's and the insurrectionists behaviors to go unchecked. Read section 5 of the Constitution sometime because, very obviously, the congress has never been 100% in line with their own. This can be a reason for expulsion but it is lunacy to view them as having "turned their backs on democracy". Those particular republicans stood by their oaths and, for that, they were expelled.
I mean, that's democracy for you.
Yes, sometimes the people believe and/or want bad things.
That's the downside to democracy. Respecting the will of the people is great except for, you know, the people.
It's important to recognize that sometimes democracy gives bad results.
Give a bunch of racists a vote and you're going to get racist outcomes. Yay democracy.
@volkris @jackiegardina There is a term. It’s called “situational ethics” and it means that a person’s spine moves around depending on current situation(s). I believe I have just witnessed that in you. To bitch about Democracy looks like your writing in that you just want to bitch about democracy and will attempt to use any scapes of information you find to try to support your discontent. Democracy isn’t truly the problem here. Your anti-democracy rhetoric is.
Who's bitching about democracy?
Democracy is what it is, for better or worse.
No sense bitching about it, but we do need to recognize it.
@jackiegardina
@volkris @jackiegardina Recognize what?
Recognize that democracy reflects the will of the people, whether or not we actually personally like what that will is.
There's no judgment there. I'm personally pro-democracy even as I recognize the fact that often enough people are not going to vote the way I would prefer.
@volkris @jackiegardina Well I am glad that you’re pro-democracy. And we can go back-n-forth all day on who turned their backs on democracy, but perhaps you’ll want to refrain from telling a Dean of Colleges in Law that her thinking is backwards. That seemed awfully judgmental to me. And, it is truly a wish of mine that you have no public voice. If the republicans we referred to ever heard your thoughts they would just shake their heads as we have. Cheers.
I always hate to see when someone in a position like Dean has such misguided opinions, but I think it's especially important to call those out when they're coming from people in positions of power.
Your wishes for my voice to be silenced or noted.
That's how democracy works though. It's all about recognizing people's opinions, even the antisocial ones.
@volkris @jackiegardina Sprewing anti-democratic verbiage does not make you some sort of social being. You are incredibly transparent however. And because I had to take under consideration the saying of a Dean of Colleges of Law, and a nobody, I went with the safest bet. You going to keep this up?
Who's spewing anti-democratic verbiage? Not me.
And apparently if you are reading anti-democratic messages into what I write, then I guess I'm not so transparent, as you are failing to see my position.
And also, just to point it out, judging positions based on identity is a pretty basic bit of fallacy, even if you aren't fighting straw men.
@volkris @jackiegardina Oh ffs. I’ll pick just one of the Rs that you first surfaced, Kinzinger. He’s a vet. You accuse him of turning his back to democracy. Other than that I’ll say that you are quite daft.
You can say whatever you want! Yay! Social media!
But yes, when Kinzinger failed to represent his constituents he was turning his back on democracy.
And it's worth calling him out on that, and holding him accountable for it.
I mean, I don't have any pictures of Nazis for you if that's what you're looking for.
@volkris @jackiegardina playing dumb is such an immature thing to do. This conversation is over. You bore me.
Sorry I don't have half naked pictures to keep your attention.
@volkris @jackiegardina I am stymied. That’s it? That’s all you have?