@itwasntme223 it's not like Jim Jordan has control of this, though.

This is the whole of the House humiliating the entire Congress through their disinterest in working together to function.

But meh, the American people elected and reelected these jerks, so I guess they're supporting this trainwreck.

@volkris The issue is the #GOP. I'm making the assumption that you're not American (which is fine, our system is confusing) but the issue is that the majority party is unable to get it's act together and are whining that the minority party won't help them.

The minority party has no responsibility to help the majority pick their own leader. The #republican conference can't get it's act together to pick a boss.

My favorite allegory is with American Football. The team coming out for the superbowl can't pick who flips the coin. The other team is just waiting for them to get their act together.

@itwasntme223 That's not how the House works, though.

It's not about the minority party helping the majority party, and that narrative really distracts from substantial progress. It lets representatives off the hook for the votes they're actually casting.

Democrats actively voted to shut down the House, whether one prefers that or not, and now they continue to vote in ways that keep their chamber closed.

Again, maybe you like that, in which case great! But if you DON'T like the House being unable to function, then you might want to see how your representative is voting, whether they're voting for or against moving forward.

It really isn't confusing. These dramatic narratives about helping do tend to confuse things, though.

The voting rolls are simple enough:

clerk.house.gov/Votes/2023519

@volkris The Democrats did not vote to shut down the house. They voted to remove a Speaker that was ineffective and making unilateral decisions like the impeachment hearing against the House own rules. Ignoring this just so it functions, isn't governing. It's tacitly agreeing to the authoritarian tactics the majority is using. What it has sent is a message to the GOP that they need to get their act together and return to bipartisanship.

If the majority party actually could govern and do this job, they would have simply elected a new one and moved on.

And I would have to disagree that the house was functional to begin with. They've only passed continuing resolutions, pretty much nothing else.

I do agree with your point we need to know who are Reps voted for which I do. My state has five. Four voted for Jordan and One for Jefferies (which would be my Representative where I am).

If anything, I do appreciate the point of views that you have brought and it actually proves there are many ways to take what is going on and if I may, I think it proves you and I could do more in Congress if we were there.

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Here's the voting roll where 208 Democrats voted to shut down the House.

clerk.house.gov/Votes/2023519

@volkris Yes, you shared this. Do you mind to clarify your point? Are you suggesting the Democrats should have voted for their opponent to keep him in or came to his rescue by lowering the threshold with present?

I want to make sure I'm not misunderstanding what you're trying to say. Text isn't the best sometimes. lol
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@itwasntme223 the question on the table was not whether to vote for their opponent.

The question on the table was whether to shut down the House.

It wasn't a vote FOR McCarthy to deny the Republican extremists their wish. It would have been a vote AGAINST the Republican extremists.

Or, to put it a different way, the problem isn't about whether they should have voted for their opponent. The problem is that they DID, assuming the GOP extremists were their opponents.

The question on the table was whether to shut down the House, and drama involving McCarthy was only a side story.

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