@Nazareno @volkris

this is why we need bigger countries to just remain neutral and say fuck off. Not just some small specks.

@CapitalB I would say that the focus on countries really overlooks the more important factor of individuals, making sure that people are able to get honest information if they care about the situation.

The focus on countries instead of people promotes nationalism that all too often buys into the propaganda. Either put out by or supporting those countries.

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@volkris @Nazareno

My example is Swiss neutrality as defined and enforced in 1815. We need more big institutions to just remain neutral. Be it the IOC, BIS, ISO or...Walmart.
Neutrality from top down enables individuals to seek alternative ways. It is like a unplanted plot were those living there can wait and see and learn by doing.

Neutrality does neither mean doing nothing nor ignoring the world. It ranges from silent time to reflect to outright help the commoners from the start.

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@CapitalB but that pattern of thinking results in empowering organizations over individuals, institutions over the democratic process.

I don't think it works.

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@volkris @Nazareno Initiatives were introduced in the 1860ies and 1880ies nationally. Neutrality was defined in 1815, tested in 1848 and 1871.
All democratic elements were built out thereafter.

I wrote subsidiarity. I mean it.

@CapitalB but that's still the nationalistic thinking.

I'm not convinced it applies to the new environment of today.

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@volkris @Nazareno

If my country fails about 5 to 6 Millions will be diaplaced or die.

So. No.

@CapitalB and yet that doesn't disclose the possibility that the country will fail.

Just because an eventuality is bad doesn't mean it won't happen.

It's even more reason to recognize that truth and work hard to make sure it doesn't happen. Even more reason to recognize the interface between institutions and humans because the worst case scenarios are pretty darn bad.

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@volkris @Nazareno

We are now in another subject. If my country "fails" the rest of the world is dead.
We joked in the military that if we had to shoot even one bullet then everybody else has way worse troubles than we have. I leave it at that.

@volkris @Nazareno of what use is e.g. a BIS or IETF if they engage in systematic and exclusive bullshittery? You'd have to disengage a priori. Which is always a disadvantage.

I allow some heckler screaming "Cherry picking!!". That's the point.

@CapitalB what use of them comes down to the individual. Maybe they have no use. If the individual doesn't find any usefulness in them than they are useless.

They have to provide usefulness to people or else they are irrelevant.

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@volkris @Nazareno some become definitely useless once they are not neutral anymore.

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