Adblockers and alternative frontend will only get you so far in this. It's literally just a matter of time until step it to yet another level. Want some real change? Stop giving them power. #Boycott these fuckers.
"Youtube has started to artificially slow down video load times if you use Firefox" -> https://archive.is/yAdak (link to avoid direct #reddit)
Bring down closed data silos like #YouTube. Empower #foss federated platforms like #peertube.
@kzimmermann Are you willing to financially support big #peertube instances?
They will need big data storage and a moderation team.
@Revertron @kzimmermann IMHO This is why large instances shouldn't be a thing anywhere on the #fediverse .
The sustainable and maintainable approach is smaller instances, and more of them. Individual creators should try to either join small instances or host their own like a website.
@lps the problem is that smaller instances and more of them consume exponentially more resources, making the whole system exponentially more expensive to operate.
That’s just how the protocol was designed, unfortunately.
People complain about Bitcoin being resource-intensive, but Fediverse faces a similar problem.
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@volkris @lps @Revertron @kzimmermann
yeah, perhaps if you completely ignore the p2p and p2n baked into PeerTube. anyone who has used decentralized media distribution IRL can see through this obvious FUD.
Centralization is only better at gatekeeping, user tracking, and ddos vulnerability.
@errhead I’m referring to the design of ActivityPub at the core of Fediverse.
If you’re talking about something else that’s fine, but it’s not what I’m referring to.
@volkris @lps @errhead @Revertron @kzimmermann What you're saying is not true. Smaller instances don't consume "exponentially more resources". ActivityPub is very easy on resources and servers can run almost anywhere (unless you use some really inefficient bloatware)
@silverpill
What about video-servers, again?
Who is willing to pay for big storage and data transfers?
Is it possible to maintain something like this on donations?
@Revertron @silverpill @volkris @lps @kzimmermann
PeerTube is designed to minimize bandwidth costs in several ways, and storage isn't that expensive these days.
For a single creator instance they can get a VPS with unmetered bandwidth and terabyte of storage for $10 a month, less for creators with more modest video catalogs.
Whether they can get enough donations would be entirely dependant on how popular their content is with people willing to donate.
@errhead
Creators often don't know anything about VPSes, linux, hosting and such.
And they go to most popular hosting for audience.
How can we advertise any PeerTube instance to such creators?
And users will not search for such creators in the wild. Thousands of servers are not searchable.
@Revertron @errhead @silverpill @volkris @kzimmermann The discoverability problem is being addressed by #peertube devs in future versions, they realize this is a problem.
They will also be hosting a "flagship" instance by the end of 2024 I believe.
In this way it will have a similar effect than was the case with #mastodon ... people initially signup using the easy on ramp approach, but as they become familiar with it, they graduate to these alternative solutions.
This is a WIP of course
@lps
Good to know. But this "flagship" instance will demand hell of storage, I think for all those flatearthers, anti-vaxers and such...
@Revertron @errhead @silverpill @volkris @kzimmermann I suspect this will be heavy moderated/curated to avoid that ... and in addition I personally would prefer the non-federated approach similar to what #tilvids does.
It still allows follows and #activitypub integration etc, but you don't get a dirty front page from all the unknown instances.
So instead of blocking servers, it's better to have a web of trust to build a network. This doesn't stop anyone from following whomever they want.
@lps @Revertron @silverpill @volkris @kzimmermann
The dirty front page problem is caused by checking the 'automatically follow back' and not having any moderators. Having a moderation team should resolve most of that even with a fairly promiscuous federation policy.
The anti-vaxxers and flat earthers will be off in their own corner of the federation. Hopefully the flagship instance will be user oriented, not creator oriented.
@errhead @Revertron @silverpill @volkris @kzimmermann I've always thought it would be a good idea to have an instance for viewers only, it hosts no videos, but simply acts as a place that users can follow, subscribe, comment etc.
I would assume, that just like any social media, there is typically a very small number of "creators" or "publishers" and the majority are only following content.
In this case, it takes next to no resources.
@lps oh, no, that still requires a lot of resources. The instance still has to participate in the AP transactions, has to deal with retrieving content, etc.
ActivityPub is not just expensive when it comes to publishing content. It also has to communicate and retrieve content and display it to users.
@errhead that's it. I now have an incentive to host an instance of peertube.
The standard install is pretty straightforward, but this makes it ridiculously easy.
https://github.com/Honeytree-Technologies/Peertube-Auto-Installer
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@volkris @lps @Revertron @silverpill @kzimmermann
>It also has to communicate and retrieve content and display it to users.
which is minimal text traffic. I ran a PeerTube server federated to over 800 different instances with a 1000+ users on an $18 dollar a year VPS for several years until the provider went bankrupt. That was probably an unsustainably cheap VPS :) It actually did start to run into issues with the federation got around 500 instances. The PeerTube dev team fixed that quickly