@davidtoddmccarty I mean, they have been outed as having just made shit up, or at least having really violated journalistic standards.

And since we are in a moment when the administration is left leaning, the support of those papers really fits the definition of propaganda quite well.

In my opinion the right wing outfits are just utterly dumb, they really don't have the staff that has the expertise to know what's going on in the world.

But when the left leaning outfits publish stuff that isn't true, well that's a lot more insidious, supporting the ones in power and avoiding accountability for them.