@realcaseyrollins thats a tiny percentage and TBH healthcare should be free
The unavoidable problem is that healthcare requires people to work, input from workers, and so anyone stating that healthcare should be free runs into the issue of requiring people to work without compensation.
It runs into the issue of you’re going to fix me for free. You’re going to work for me for free.
You see how problematic that is?
But that’s just the theory. In theory they raise taxes sufficiently to pay people enough that they will jump up and fix patients, but in reality there are things like not enough doctors to fix the people, not enough doctors willing to accept that trade, etc.
There is no universal healthcare. Even if governments force doctors to operate at gunpoint, which to be clear I’m highlighting as the problematic thing, there will be a limited supply of doctors. It cannot be universal.
It’s always going to be a negotiation, and the issue is how constraining that negotiation is on doctors, how much pressure we put on them to work for others when they don’t want to.
In theory everything is wonderful and everybody gets fixed. Reality is much more harsh because it requires people to work to fix people.
@Hyolobrika I don’t think it’s good that we talk about this in such politically misleading terminology.
When you tell people they have a right to healthcare, fine that’s not a perfect statement, but more importantly, when they don’t get the health care that they think they were promised, that’s not just good, that’s bad.
I think it’s really important for politics to be honest because that’s the only way for society to have honest discussions about the trade-offs and balances that they are looking to make.
It’s not perfect being the enemy of the good. This is flat out bad.
@volkris @Hyolobrika @Rasp Hyo had a good point there. Although to be fair, that same critique could be levied at people who hate private healthcare as well.
I disagree because I consider critiques of private healthcare to be more honest.
People who promote universal healthcare sell this fiction of just putting money in and getting healthcare out, ignoring that there are real people involved in making that happen, and they do want to get paid for their efforts. They aren’t simple cogs in the machine that turns money into healthcare.
People who are critical of private healthcare, at least they are living a little bit more in reality, talking about how real world people interact with real world money.
@realcaseyrollins @volkris I already factored that in and its fine.
@volkris @Rasp While that's a good point, to be fair that's not necessarily how universal healthcare works in most countries.
People saying that universal healthcare is free is lying, it costs citizens in taxes. Many if not most places that have universal healthcare have higher taxes as a result.