When Signal was designed, our threat model was protecting the communications of civil society, journalists, just regular citizens ...
The threat model of military operations & sharing your hate of Europeans was not what Signal was designed for. Ephemeral messages and cryptographic deniability are not fit for communications that require accountability.
But I appreciate their effort to make government more efficient by adding journalists to the chat instead of requiring to go through FOIA.
@fj sharing your hate?
Did you read the release? There wasn't hate of Europeans. There was only discussion of the terms of partnership and normal concerns of political framing.
@volkris @fj True Vnace didn't exactly say "I hate Europeans" he just said he hated doing anything that benefited Europe. This is also after he said Denmark was being a bad ally for not letting Agent Krasnov have whatever he wanted. And lectured Europe about 'free speech.' So I think we can see where he stands in regards to Europe.
@maccruiskeen ha, I'm not sure you can see where he stands in regard to Europe 🙂
Because I read that exchange in the complete opposite way, talking about the outlines of strategic partnership and how the different groups interact, which has absolutely absolutely nothing to do with hating or not hating Europe.
At worst it's neutrality when setting the terms for partnership. But I think it's more about supporting Europe to follow a path that he thinks would be better for everybody, Europe included, promoting European success as he sees it.
So no, not hatred at all. Support if anything.
Maybe it takes more understanding of the context in which these statements are made, though. It's just like how many misinterpreted Trump's stance on NATO during his first term.
@maccruiskeen to be clear, I'm not saying I agree with it.
Keep in mind that the culture these guys are coming from is shallow and thinks it knows better what everybody should be doing, and when it can it sees a moral Duty to impose that better option on others.
So it's not a weird idea of support. It's actually a very common idea, too common in my opinion, thinking they can help people by telling them what they should be doing.
This is just one example of it. There are so many, but maybe it's something to keep in mind when trying to understand what this administration is doing.
@maccruiskeen Well think of it this way: have you ever had a family member, maybe an older one, who thinks they know what's good for you better than you do? Who has inappropriately tried insert themselves into your business with the best of intention even if they're, well, full of it, and it's not appreciated?
Yes, a couple of these people are sociopathic fucks. I actually agree with that.
But I think a lot of them are just well-meaning but really really stupid, and really really out of touch, and really disconnected from reality.
I think it's a really common experience when somebody with best of intentions tries to tell you what to do with your own life because they think they know better, even though they're completely off base. I think that explains a whole lot of what we're seeing out of the folks in charge right now.
@volkris @fj This administration has a weird idea of 'support' for Europe if that's how you see it--I mean, 'support' doesn't usually include random punitive tariffs, treating visitors like criminals, and threatening to take their territory by force.