@realcaseyrollins What?
You're referring to a governmental institution, an organization that constrains freedom, and projecting this freedom constraining organization as the free world... That doesn't make sense.
@realcaseyrollins Well that's not particularly true either.
By some measures the US doesn't even crack the top 10.
No, domestic policy in the US is definitely not focused on freedom, everything from tax policy through drug restrictions through monitoring of communications in the US point the other direction.
@volkris #Australia? #Canada?? 🤣
This list is garbage if they're putting authoritarian semi-fascist countries like those at the top of their list...good grief man...
@realcaseyrollins sure, the US is the most free, as long as you ignore all of the analysis saying it's not the most free, then it absolutely is!
You're begging the question to try to support your predetermined conclusions.
Or, on the other hand, specifically what in their calculation did they get wrong? Show me the math where they went astray?
Don't just reject their conclusion because it doesn't match your opinions.
You're living in a de facto fascistic state now where people get arrested and deported for having expressed an opinion or defended people in court, and have the freedom to get shot by any lunatic.
Enjoy your fucked up fake "freedom", Orwell.
@proscience No those stories have been debunked.
Yes they were widely circulated on social media, but no they weren't true.
@realcaseyrollins is wrong that the US is some bastion of freedom, but that doesn't mean we should promote those nutty stories about arresting and deporting people for having expressed opinions.
Both are false.
@volkris
How/where were they debunked?
Cc: @interfluidity
@proscience @realcaseyrollins
@light @volkris @interfluidity @proscience
> people get arrested and deported for having expressed an opinion or defended people in court
I do know that one of these is false, no judge has been arrested or deported for defending someone in court, at least not at #Trump's behest. I do know non citizens have been arrested and deported for supporting terrorist organizations and their activities, although I don't know if they also participated in pro Palestinian violence on campuses or not.
My other reaction is, if you think those countries are so off course, well I'm not disputing that, but it is cause for maybe some consideration for how the US ends up being even worse than those examples.
Yeah, the US has serious issues with restricting freedom of speech. We shouldn't paper over that.
Australia and Canada might have troubling headlines where they restrict speech, but that only means the US needs to deal with its own headlines of cracking down on speech it doesn't like.
We won't improve to be better than them if we don't recognize that we have that improvement to make.
@volkris I recognize that the #USA has issues with freedom, and doesn't seem to be doing any better in that respect. I push back against things like the anti #BDS laws. But I don't believe we restrict speech, just as an example, more than #Australia or #Canada.
@realcaseyrollins
I was thinking about moving to the US for that reason (I live in the UK and am pretty dismayed by the #OnlineSafetyBill), but decided to wait until the results of the 2024 election.
After the news that Trump won and the news about what he's been doing (that @volkris says has been debunked), I'm not sure that I want to.
@volkris
I can't see their calculations, at least not in that page. But a clear example of both #Canada and #Australia restricting freedom is their hate speech laws:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_Australia
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-319.html
Maybe this is the type of freedom #Cato doesn't care about, but I do. When it comes to the combination of freedom of speech, right to arm oneself and property rights, I have seen no equal to the #USA.