US may owe $1 trillion in refunds if #SCOTUS cancels #Trump #tariffs - https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/11/tariff-refunds-may-get-messy-if-trump-loses-supreme-court-fight/ " Tech industry primed for big refunds if SCOTUS rules against Trump tariffs. "
@glynmoody
You may notice that only importers will (maybe) get those refunds. They already got them when they hiked the prices, but the retail buyers won't see a dime. Once again, only the rich benefit from the law.
@yodaladywhooo we've had months of reports from small business owners dealing with these tariffs.
But in the end there is no benefit here. Trump did damage to people, and this is about maybe undoing some of the damage that he did. The people are not made whole, but at least some of the damage can be mitigated.
So this is neither about rich people nor about benefits. This is about Trump doing something really stupid and making up for that.
@volkris @glynmoody
To me, this is about Trump doing something that profits himself and his ilk while harming others, then when he has what he wanted, convincing people he is a "hero" for making small changes to mitigate the damage he has done. IMO, he is a manipulating fraud, and I can't believe people are falling for it.
@yodaladywhooo I think you're giving him too much credit.
Trump doesn't get much profit from things like raising tariffs. It's another example of him being too damn stupid to know how any of this works, so he shoots himself in the foot once again.
That's how he ended up committing felonies in the first place, after all. He doesn't understand how the world works at all.
This isn't about Trump doing something that profits himself. He doesn't even know how that works. This is him just doing random things because that's how he lives his life.
His supporters fall for it because they don't know how it works either.
@volkris
I think we are both right about parts of it. He does things that makes him noticed, not always that make sense. I think billionaires have his number.
The reason that I'm harping on this is because the way to defeat him is to point out what a loser he is to his own people. When we talk about him as if he is effective, even when it's to say that he is corrupt and out for profit, that plays into the idea that Trump knows what he's doing.
So take for example the recent court process where he lost on SNAP payments. The judge emphasized that the government lawyers were making one argument while Trump kept contradicting his own lawyers as he posted to social media. Trump lost that judgment because he couldn't just let his lawyers do their job. And that happens over and over.
I don't think it has anything to do with billionaires having his number. He screws up so often that he's screwing over even billionaire friends, and he's likely going to put himself in prison at some point.
No I think the obvious conclusion based on this long track record is that he's just an idiot. It really is that simple. No conspiracy theory, no profit seeking, he's just a moron.
And if we emphasize what a moron he is, maybe his supporters will stop voting for it.
@volkris
I hope you are right, but in my experience, morons love morons.