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@SusannaShakespeare

It's funny you say that since Biden has spent a week complaining about the details in the legislation that they passed, but you say there are no details?

But of course there are details. They are posted right there on the official government websites for us all to look up for ourselves if we want to.

@atomicpoet

But how does Fediverse prevent that?

Seems like their system would be just about as effective here as it vacuums up the content ActivityPub is broadcasting.
@socialmedianews

@jf_718

Well, I always want to highlight the downside of defederation that is removing power from users to make those decisions for themselves.

Whether that trade is bad or good is up to the people involved, but personally I really want to see more empowered users so I'd generally promote defederation as the last option, used only when an instance is posing a threat to the infrastructure.

@Annaeus

I think you are looking too deeply into this because the major role of representatives is to represent, regardless of whether their constituents are floating toward one philosophy or another, OR whether the representative job itself is a good idea or a bad idea, given whatever philosophical basis.

These functionaries seem to be doing their job, and it's a separate question weather that's a job that they should be doing.

@bespacific

Ha! Like I said I am trying to get us to laser focus on fixing some bad laws, without being distracted by judicial drama, so I'm kind of laughing that you went right back into judicial drama 🙂

The FDA did some questionable stuff here, and I really wish the president would have the FDA fix their paperwork so this wouldn't even be a threat.

And in the longer term we need to reevaluate whether these safety laws are really necessary because in this case it seems that they were counterproductive.

We have these two other branches of government that are more set up to be accountable to us, so we need to focus on holding them accountable for their errors!

So far it looks like the judges are properly applying the law, but we need to fix the laws!

@stanstallman

Well until the term expires or you cross Congress badly enough that they were movie from office.

@stanstallman

I mean yes. Head of the executive branch does come with authority over the executive branch.

@hackdefendr

On the other hand, that does increase load on that site, being almost a form of DoS attack against it.

@Cloudguy

@bespacific

Well it's not that the court is prepared to limit access. It's that our lawmakers passed a bunch of laws that limited access.

We really need to emphasize that this is all because of laws passed by Congress that probably need to be reformed.

To focus on the court has some nice drama to it, but it lets lawmakers off the hook for the role they played in passing bad laws and the administration off the hook for its part in violating law as the FDA did its thing.

@farbel

Well right, and Congress has already appropriated it, but more directly, the president HAS TO pay off debts.

The Constitution is specific, there is no choice, the president doesn't get to decide, he has to pay the debts.

I know Biden has spent months threatening not to, as if he has a choice, but he does not, he has to pay them. Or face impeachment.

@parker

Yeah but I'm trying to emphasize sort of the next level higher: without an understanding of civics for example it's hard for a person to even know who the powers that be ARE.

If some guy straps on a badge and makes a big show of suggesting what you should do if you don't want something bad to happen, unless you have an understanding of civics, you can't really know whether that guy even has a way of enforcing his "suggestions", Even if we assume he's utterly corrupt.

Is this person part of the powers that be? Does the lady at the DMV with a loud enough actually have a force that might come break your teeth? Or are they just a minor paper pusher? Got to know the civics to know whether they can follow through on threats!

@farbel

No, the Treasury reports that it has plenty of money to cover the debt, regardless of what the politicians are selling, so Biden just needs, and is constitutionally required to, have the Treasury service its debts as they come due.

The Treasury brings in trillions of dollars but the debt servicing only costs something like $500 million, so it has the money. It just has to pay the debts, as it is constitutionally obligated to do.

This wouldn't even be a discussion except that the president is pushing for more power to borrow.

@parker

Firstly, let me emphasize that part of civics is knowing whether or not a police officer can legally detain you. I think that sort of thing is very practical knowledge.

But anyway to your point, there's more to democratic engagement than merely voting. There is the overall discourse, the overall perception of government, and just for example, a protest may have impact even if that impact is not direct and visible.

I would even say that pretty often a protest might fail to have much impact specifically because the asks of the protesters are misguided, based on ignorance of how government actually functions.

Anyway, there are just so many sides to this, so many ways that people interface with government outside of voting, and so many ways that civics education, or lack thereof, does impact people's lives.

@parker For any country that aspires for any sort of democratic engagement they absolutely have a say in, and it's pretty darn important that they know what they are talking about if they are to exercise that say.

We live in a time when people ranging from politicians to TV hosts to social media influencers are vociferously making statements about government, but if the population doesn't know how their government works then they are unprepared to either be one of those speakers or judge whether those speakers are telling them correct things.

That's not to mention giving people the knowledge they need to protect themselves, whether it's knowing whether a parking fine is valid or knowing the limits on how they can be approached by police.

is so important even practically in any governmental system that goes beyond just telling residents to shut up and let officials do whatever they want. Which is an option, but not one I would go for.

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@parker

I would emphasize civics especially considering how many adults these days really have no idea how their government functions, or even what their own role is in the governmental system.

@farbel

You're looking at the wrong branch of government.

Paying things, whether it's debts or buying fighter jets or anything else, is an executive branch function carried out by the Treasury. It's not up to Congress because they are the legislative branch. It is up to the president to have his Treasury pay the debts, and Congress has no say in that.

This is why we really need to call out the president for threatening not to pay debts. He keeps using that as spin to point the finger at the other branch of government when in reality it's 100% up to him.

@TwistedEagle

Meh, if her constituents believe this is the best representation for them, well, that's there prerogative.

It's really between her and the people she is hired to represent.

@josh

Sure I will circle on top of your image from before, circling in blue even just tax receipts versus interest paid in servicing the debt.

@MugsysRapSheet @potus

The narrative that most have bought into is so backwards from how the federal government is actually designed, and so what's actually happening here.

And the reality is much more interesting and dramatic.

Fundamentally, this is a president requesting more power, power to borrow. Alright, what does he want to use to convince the Congress to expand his power like that? Well, his rhetoric has been to offer nothing: he demands that power without proposing anything in exchange for it, not even checks on how he's to use the power.

But to give his position SOME oomph he's been on a tear in the public, threatening to order the US Treasury, his executive branch department mind, to default on US debt, which would be unconstitutional and, IMO, impeachable.

Meanwhile, House Republicans have voted to give him expanded power to borrow, and they're the only group who have done so, and yet THEY'RE the problem? The only ones that have responded to the president's request?

Oh, and let's not forget that this president signed the legislation to put the US in this position in the first place, almost like he set the stage for this power grab.

It's quite the dramatic story, that most people seem to be missing.

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