volkris @volkris@qoto.org
Since I guess everything is political these days, I'll identify as extremely liberal but without a home in US politics.
Mainly, there's so much misinformation out there that people in society have trouble even organizing into coherent political groupings. So I'd rather not talk about politics but instead focus on information and education. Nothing else matters until the bedrock of fact is buttressed.
But... people are always going to be wrong on the internet, as the saying goes.
So: Old man yells at clouds is a famous joke from The Simpsons, and it probably fairly describes what we do when venting on social media.
Just speaking into the void, since I figure it's an exercise in futility to conduct discussions on these platforms.
Joined Dec 2022
@mikeash The difference is a compliant federal institution.
Trump would have neither buy in from the federal bureaucracy nor the sanction of the courts. He would likely even be slapped down by Congress. Again.
We know his track record. He’s a loser. He lost over and over again, and if he tried to do such things next year he would lose again. Because the guy is just that much of a loser.
Roosevelt knew how to win, how to operate within in the system. Trump’s whole schtick is that he doesn’t, and that’s why he failed over and over, and he’ll continue to fail, even if elected, if he tries to do stuff like that.
@pixel I mean, I assume it’s a combination of failures of his parents and his involvement in the entertainment industry…
Off the top of my head I figure those are the main influences that screwed him up so badly.
@MugsysRapSheet compliant Congress?
Have you checked the record of Congress lately? They can barely comply with their own duties much less anything the other branch is asking for.
Meanwhile the Supreme Court refused to grant Trump the blanket indemnity that he was seeking, and that’s not even getting into case after case where the court refused to join Trump in even considering his disputes.
So the record just doesn’t support the conspiracy theory you’re laying out here.
It’s nutty. It’s not realistic.
@ech @RussCheshire it’s not quibbling, though. It’s the substantial question of whether the money does or does not exist since the proposal is to take away money, that may not exist in the first place.
That’s a core issue.
And it has absolutely nothing to do with whether companies are bad or good.
@MugsysRapSheet well why not is because he doesn’t have authority to do so.
A president does not have the authority to rewrite the Constitution.
No, SCOTUS didn’t decide that the president is above the law, it went out of its way to say the exact opposite, demanding the continued prosecution of the former president.
I don’t know who you’re listening to, but they are misleading you. If you read the Supreme Court ruling yourself it debunks those claims.
US pol: What is right?
@Incognitim what? No. If you read the SCOTUS ruling it says the exact opposite, that everyone is absolutely bound by law, and it explicitly lays out that Trump has to continue through the court case.
You say they ‘ve completely done away with even The faintest notion that no one is above the law but the case itself talked about people being bound by law.
Whoever told you otherwise is lying to you.
@waldoj well what do I get wrong?
@waldoj Biden absolutely does have to do with how the federal cases are proceeding.
It’s his administration. He holds responsibility for what his administration does. That is a core principle of the US system.
@Linux that seems really counterproductive.
You don’t like the messenger so you kill the message, no matter how positive and pro-social it may be.
I just want to call out how selfish that is.
@knittingknots2 but this has always been Trump. He talks this way because, as per classical conditioning, he gets rewarded for being so mealy mouthed.
That observation isn’t anything new.
The question is how he got nominated and how Democrats managed to nominate someone who even leaves him with a chance of winning.
@Tharpa I mean, when has Kamala done that though?
Yeah, Trump vomits up garbage all the time, but I’m really holding it against the Democrat party that they nominated such an incoherent speaker that leaves Trump within even striking distance of the presidency.
If only there had been a legitimate primary race so we could have chosen someone better, someone who would have steamrolled over Trump…
@Linux so you’re going to deprive the rest of us of interesting information because you personally don’t like the source?
@waldoj oh sorry, I was thinking about the other cases
Biden has been surprisingly compliant with a lot of Trump’s demands.
@mikeash I mean everybody?
If Trump is saying he’s going to lock up these people, he’s lying, he doesn’t have that authority. If other people are saying Trump is going to lock up these people they’re lying too.
When you see all these groups wrestling in the mud, none of them are clean, and it’s worth calling them all out for really antisocial stuff.
@servelan of course he does.
He’s a hack.
He’s a guy who used to be legit, used to provide reasonable advice, but in the years since he just says whatever the political winds advantage him to say, no matter how outlandish and nonsensical.
We really need to call Robert Reich out for this kind of thing these days. I really wish he had stuck to legitimate policy analysis, but he left that track long ago.
Now he just sprouts nonsense get attention, I guess.
So?
I mean he can’t. EVEN IF you think he is actually threatening people like that, which sounds like sensationalized nonsense from special interests trying to mislead you, it doesn’t matter, because presidents don’t have that sort of power.
So he can’t.
You’re being lied to, and you should stop listening to whoever you’re listening to because they are lying to you.
@RussCheshire @guardian it’s really important to emphasize that these people do not actually hoard vast amounts of money.
These rankings do not count money. It’s really important to emphasize that for anybody who cares. Personally, I don’t, so I don’t have a horse in this race, but if you do care, then you really really need to know that these rankings do not count money.
Musk does not have that cash. He has equity in various investments that may in theory if calculated a certain way result in that sales price, but those calculations are definitely wrong. They are just guesses.
He does not have that cash.
I really wish more people understood this because politicians constantly trick people with this sort of misleading rhetoric.
@kdawson so the other side of the aisle, The one that Trump is speaking to, their perspective is that Harris ‘s hopes of winning the election appear to be crumbling.
You need to realize that to interpret whatever Trump is saying.
Yes, the world is nuts. But that’s what we’re working with.
@waldoj The critical thing to keep in mind is that Biden’s administration was on board with the move.
It’s not that Trump is above the law. It’s that the Democrats apparently don’t care about pursuing this.
We need to hold Democrats accountable for this.
Since I guess everything is political these days, I'll identify as extremely liberal but without a home in US politics.
Mainly, there's so much misinformation out there that people in society have trouble even organizing into coherent political groupings. So I'd rather not talk about politics but instead focus on information and education. Nothing else matters until the bedrock of fact is buttressed.
But... people are always going to be wrong on the internet, as the saying goes.
So: Old man yells at clouds is a famous joke from The Simpsons, and it probably fairly describes what we do when venting on social media.
Just speaking into the void, since I figure it's an exercise in futility to conduct discussions on these platforms.
Joined Dec 2022
