volkris @volkris@qoto.org
I think the most pressing and fundamental problem of the day is that people lack a practically effective means of sorting out questions of fact in the larger world. We can hardly begin to discuss ways of addressing reality if we can't agree what reality even is, after all.
The institutions that have served this role in the past have dropped the ball, so the next best solution is talking to each other, particularly to those who disagree, to sort out conflicting claims.
Unfortunately, far too many actively oppose this, leaving all opposing claims untested. It's very regressive.
So that's my hobby, striving to understanding the arguments of all sides at least because it's interesting to see how mythologies are formed but also because maybe through that process we can all have our beliefs tested.
But if nothing else, social media platforms like this are chances to vent frustrations that on so many issues both sides are obviously wrong ;)
Joined Dec 2022
I mean you are laying out quite the conspiracy theory but you aren't really giving any real support to show that the theory is solid.
It's not about me choosing to see that or not. You're not even showing me something worth seeing.
What in the world?
No. We elect the people that we want to elect, and we keep reelecting people, so really it relies on us, the voters, we approve of these people.
It's not about good faith or bad faith. It's about the people that we actively show up to the polls to elect and reelect and we approve of the actions of officials when we cast our votes to say they should remain in office.
There's nothing about good faith or bad faith there. It is just us deciding that we like the way these people exercise their offices.
This is so silly.
Negotiating with terrorists? No. This is the checks and balances that the federal government was designed around. Yes, if the president wants to borrow more money then he has to negotiate with the democratic process to obtain that permission.
To call this terrorism is pretty much the same as calling, I don't know, McDonald's negotiating with terrorists because I don't want to pay $5 for a Big Mac.
Yeah. That description is just that out there.
I'm sorry, if the president wants to borrow a ton of money on the credit of the United States then he does need to go to our representatives and negotiates to get that authority.
I'm sorry that might be hard for him. Welcome to democracy though.
Republicans already voted to extend the borrowing powers. It is foolish to talk about this as them holding anything hostage since they have already given that up and voted not to hold hostage.
Democrats voted to make us face this situation when they pass their appropriation legislation. They really need to be held accountable for that. It's next level foolish to blame Republicans for number one the thing the Democrats did and number two the things that Republicans have already voted to fix.
Week case? Democrats literally voted for this over and above Republican dissension. Republicans literally voted against this and yet we have outlets like this trying to blame them for it?
Republicans suck, but we really need to hold democrats accountable for their votes that put us in this position.
No that's just not right.
Republicans created this crisis? No Republicans voted against it! This crisis was created by Democrats in the last Congress and they really need to be held accountable for that.
Republicans voted against the appropriations that we are now dealing with. This was 100% positioned by Democrats, for better or worse, but either way we need to hold them accountable for the position they have made us face now.
Well that's simply not true.
Democrats voted to put us in this situation in the last Congress against Republican descent. Republicans voted against the appropriations pledges that got us here. Meanwhile, Republicans voted to get us out of it by cleaning up the mess by voting to extend borrowing powers.
The political spin that you are promoting here is just not factually accurate.
GOP candidates are already taking on Trump.
Anyone interested can tune into conservative media any day of the week to see it.
Headlines like this come across as gaslighting, though really I guess they're just clickbait.
What specifically are you referring to?
Because in general Thomas seems to be on the other side of the ledger.
Well keep in mind that the Treasury is an executive branch department.
It's all up to the president to default, which I would say would be an impeachable offense since the Constitution is very clear that he has to pay obligations as they come due.
That has nothing to do with Congress, that is purely the other branch of government, the executive branch.
@SuperTapani@newsie.social
I think you are missing that the executive branch is the branch of government who gets to decide what to do with the treasury, not the legislative branch, and it is currently held by a Democrat.
The extreme right does not hold the executive branch at the moment.
I mean there are very real state level issues that should not be federal and the first place
Ah. Well that's a stupid thing for you to say, and now I am being offensive because I suppose you are just that not interested in discussing anything.
I give up.
I mean a president can claim whatever authority he wants to claim, but we have a system of checks and balances specifically set up to make sure presidents don't unilaterally do things like this.
No, Biden does not have authority to issue debt without going through the Democratic process.
Should he attempt to do so, that would be an impeachable violation of the rule of law.
@gwfoto@newsie.social
GOP forced default? The GOP is the only group who has approved extra borrowing authority to avoid default!
It's so backwards to say the ones providing that solution are causing a problem.
The treasury is part of the executive branch, so it's really up to Biden whether to default in the face of the GOP offramp
This misses that they are not spending laws. There are appropriation laws, while it is the executive branch spending throughout the year as authorized, not ordered, by the legislative branch.
That is a crucial misunderstanding in the US system of divided government.
And so the treasury in the executive branch has the money to pay these debts seeing as Congress cannot obligate the executive branch to spending.
That makes all the difference in this controversy.
@jonradioV4@mastodon.world
No that gets it completely backwards.
The president doesn't get to choose to invoke the Constitution. The Constitution requires presidents to pay the bills. There is no if. If the president were to decline to pay debts then he would stand for impeachment immediately.
All of these people talking about invoking the 14th Amendment, no there is no invoking. The president has to pay debts. It's not like there's a choice.
The Treasury brings in enough money to pay for those debts. According to the daily treasury balance sheet they have the money regardless of the debt ceiling.
There is just so much political misinformation out there. We really need to push back against it.
My point is that it uses MORE resources though!
So my question is that, using more resources, what advantage does it bring? That's exactly the question I'm asking here.
I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm just trying to figure out what you are saying.
Is it that you did not realize, then, that it uses more resources to have single user servers?
It sounds like you are misinterpreting some things here.
No, my use of stupid isn't indicative of a goal of being offensive, I'm sorry you took it that way, I actually thought that it was general belief that this guy is one who does things that are counterproductive and such. I honestly didn't realize that you would be opposed to me saying Biden is stupid.
For so many people, across ideologies, that is just common shared belief.
Well that's a stupid thing for Biden to have said, just the latest in so many stupid things that the guy says.
The Constitution grants the Congress the authority to borrow money because it's such a big deal to obligate future generations to paying back debts of this generation, so it wants the democratic process to be involved in that idea.
If Biden believes that he has the authority to sell debt without legal authority, well, that would probably be an impeachable offense and he should be removed from office right away.
Biden can't subvert the democratic process like that.
Anybody buying US debt that was not legally authorized would be buying nonsense.
I think the most pressing and fundamental problem of the day is that people lack a practically effective means of sorting out questions of fact in the larger world. We can hardly begin to discuss ways of addressing reality if we can't agree what reality even is, after all.
The institutions that have served this role in the past have dropped the ball, so the next best solution is talking to each other, particularly to those who disagree, to sort out conflicting claims.
Unfortunately, far too many actively oppose this, leaving all opposing claims untested. It's very regressive.
So that's my hobby, striving to understanding the arguments of all sides at least because it's interesting to see how mythologies are formed but also because maybe through that process we can all have our beliefs tested.
But if nothing else, social media platforms like this are chances to vent frustrations that on so many issues both sides are obviously wrong ;)
Joined Dec 2022
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