volkris @volkris@qoto.org

@prefec2 you're ducking his point, though.

Musk says WP is inherently hierarchical, and your reply here basically confirmed that by describing how the hierarchy is organized.

Alright.

Musk goes on to say that the people higher in the hierarchy, the ones you said were elected or selected, show up with their biases, which is only human. You didn't address that, but it was his point.

I also see that the screenshot cuts off something about community notes, which is probably key context to his statement.

@taylorlorenz

@tc_morekindness well, it doesn't mean changing the Constitution, as the Constitution allows each chamber to set its own rules.

But the thing is, we elected these people, and we keep re-electing them. And there's little sign that we aren't going to re-elect the members who voted us into this situation.

We got the government we voted for, that we're apparently approving of, so what needs to change is us and our votes.

ANYWAY, the problem is that I don't think *Democrats* are open to any reasonable powersharing based on their voting positions so far.

They went scorched earth on this, so I don't expect them to pivot now.

It seems like they're winning the messaging game, so I don't think they have much motivation to pivot now.

@Apanthropist_1 I'd say the problem isn't that you measure the economy by how well the rich are doing.

It's that maybe measurement of the economy isn't the answer to the question you should be asking.

IOW, let's not focus on the economy when what we're talking about are the ones the economy is leaving behind.

It's asking the wrong question.

@prismnpen I wish the article had actually cited legislative language, or legal language, or case law, or whatever so we could see the actual details of the defense.

Without that it's hard to identify solutions, as we'd need new language to modify existing language, which like I said, means we need to see the legal language.

The anecdotes are fine to illustrate what we need to address, but without presenting the broken piece leading to those outcomes we can't really talk about how to best fix it.

@jayreding and don't forget that Democrats could simply decline to vote.

They don't have to support any Republican candidate. They don't have to "help" Republicans. They could simply stop actively engaging and thus empowering the GOP hardliners.

@Setok that's right, some complaints are that the Mastodon/UI level and some are deeper.

Some are solvable and some not.

BTW, if you weren't familiar with the history, some things like the lack of quoting in Mastodon were due to the strong personal opinions of developers who thought they were simply bad and should never exist here.

So that's another issue: sometimes it's not lack of funding or developer resources. It's developers intentionally choosing to leave out functionality they don't like.

@lari @petri

@petri yuck.

IMO this highlights an attitude around Fediverse that isn't the grace and light that so many Fediverse users make the platform out to be all about.

@Setok @lari

@Setok right, I don't think federation is itself the problem. It's how the federation was designed around here, with the big focus on http-like requests between instances, inboxes and outboxes, and the rest of the core design.

It didn't have to be this way, but to change it now, to do things like moving content distribution to other layers of the communication protocols that could better address multicasting for example, would give you just a completely different system.

@lari @petri

@lydiaconwell Ha! I mean it reflects on the scalability issues with Fediverse's ActivityPub protocol, so it's not purely a reflection on Threads.

@lydiaconwell My impression is that the resources required to interface their system with Fediverse proved more than they expected, so the effort got pushed to the back burner.

@jwilker they actively voted for this, though.

The Republican conference overwhelmingly rejected the eight and rejected the motion to vacate the chair. Democrats did not have to support the motion, but they did, they stood up and chose to vote yes on the shutdown motion.

We should not allow them to escape. Blame for standing and voting yes to the question, particularly since there's a good chance that vote will put them in a worse position to influence legislation, harming their own causes at least in the short term.

@NPR

@Setok so I lost track of that thread, and then I found it again and realized I hadn't finished it.

I see that the thread really went on to focus on developer attention and funding, but now let me emphasize that I'm saying there are core problems to ActivityPub that can't be fixed with just some more developer focus or funding.

AP was to its core built around instances, not users, and so many complaints that people have come directly from that design decision. It's not like a developer can just change that. To make AP center on users would make it an entirely different protocol.

At that point you might as well just use one of the alternatives that's already doing that.

This is the model that the entire system is built on. No interface changes are really going to fix it.

And this isn't even getting into the major efficiency problems with the model, this is just what is conceptually required.

@lari @petri

@Setok and for something that is still throttling its own use during this stage of roll out.

I'm surprised it's still in limited use mode, but even now it seems to be doing quite a lot.

@petri

@Setok Oh my point was more to say, don't hold your breath waiting for fixes to these complaints.

If they are real annoyances for you, then you should probably put serious consideration into the alternatives.

If this platform isn't table to serve its users well, then it already is and will always be behind.

@lari @petri

@Setok With regard to this, realize that a lot of the problems come out of engineering decisions made long ago that would be very difficult to change course on at this point.

It's not merely a matter of throwing programmer time to tweak some UI functionality.

It's more akin to deciding to build a car and later on complaining that really you wanted to fly but this vehicle doesn't do that.

It's pretty hard to change course at this point without starting over.

@lari @petri

@SocraticEthics Even reading this article you can see that that's a misrepresentation of what Musk said.

@mnutty I'd go the other way with that.

Instead of feeling queasy, they might be seeing it as an indication that the case is weak and so these people are getting plea deals, and they can work on one as well.

@YamakaziTaiga@mastodon.social I don't know why you think I'm defending anybody.

I'm not, so maybe that's why you're confused?