volkris @volkris@qoto.org

@whatabout

Each of the 74 votes that Trump lost by were cast in public for all to see.

https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/2020
@icare4america

@fonecokid OH!

I was confused by the typo in your post.

I was wondering what USA scouts were. I wondered what the Boy Scouts might have to do with Trump :)

@lauren we will see, I guess.

The problem is the begging of the question part.

Claiming authority to claim authority relies on the authority at the very heart of the claim of authority.

Those who believe there is no such authority to claim authority to claim authority won't be swayed.

@ecpoir

@tokyo_0 but that hasn't at all been my experience watching SO MUCH debate around threads happening on my feeds here.

In fact, I've see so many posts emphatically saying it was NOT about technological risk.

@danny

@lauren

I don't think the decision is as important as you think as it's so clearly self-serving.

It begs the question.

Anyone in favor of maintaining the court's power will support the court's ruling to maintain its own power while anyone opposed will point to it as exactly the reason they're opposing it.

It doesn't move the ball.

@ecpoir

@nopatience seems like it's pretty much doing what it was designed to do, so no need to update it.

On the other hand, updates that would change what it was designed to do would probably break backwards compatibility.

I have serious criticisms of AP, but at the end of the day if one doesn't agree with the goals and designs of the standard they should probably go find a different standard that better fits their application.

@fonecokid what are you referring to?

@bigheadtales there is a problem, though, in that the states explained reasoning that's questionable.

If the states had simply said, "Nope! Not eligible because I say so!" then, funnily enough, they would be on more solid ground.

BUT, since they laid out reasoning that's based on factually and logically shaky ground they've opened themselves up to challenge.

@gratefuldread

The thing people keep missing here is that Gorsuch said yes states do have a role in keeping ineligible people off the ballot, BUT it is a giant open question as to whether Trump is actually ineligible.

Arguably the 14th amendment claim doesn't hold.

So when the article says he's 90% of the way, or whatever, it's overlooking that that question is unresolved and is itself 90% of what we're talking about here.

Yes the state can absolutely boot an ineligible person from the ballot, but there's enormous argument over whether or not Trump is actually ineligible.

@icare4america not a care in the world that he was a loser in the last election?

Wins again would hold a lot more stake if he didn't lose last time, and probably will again, which is why he really shouldn't be running.

@bigheadtales
You are incorrect.

Elections are about whatever the voters want them to be about.

In the US, voters in each state get to decide what they want their votes to be about, so it's a democratic process about a democratic process.

Let me emphasize that the US Constitution says nothing about voting being about voting amongst eligible candidates. In fact it is notably silent on the issue.

You say regardless Trump is ineligible for office, but again that is an entirely different topic, and it is debatable, and it is being debated.

So you are wrong on the first topic, as the voting system in the US simply doesn't mandate your personal opinion, and you are on shaky ground with a second, no matter how many times you might repeat your position without providing any evidence for it.

Really zero for two there.

This is just how democracy works. And again if you want to be undemocratic that's fine, but admit that that is what you are up to.

@joesabin@mastodon.world

I always loved the bumper sticker: "Don't vote, it only encourages them"

We keep electing idiots. So so long as we are going to do that, we might as well just not vote.

@tutwilly @JoshuaHolland

@NWBison That's not how the electoral college process works, though.

@JoshuaHolland That's not how we elect presidents, though.

Might as well be comparing populations of the hometowns of candidates, for all that matters.

It's just not relevant.

@lauren frankly, I think a whole lot of people are willing to cut off their noses to spite their faces if they think it would stick it to the folks they regard as the other team.

Whether it's another country that has been mythologized as being "sworn enemies" or a different political party or an individual who has simply been identified as being out of favor, a lot of people are willing to pay a personal price to go at them.

To me it is just part of the dark side of humanity.

A lot of people would be willing to give up agricultural advancements and industrial advancements if it means they can stick it to those baddies, to "them"

@nf3xn

@nf3xn The thing is, if their industry serves us better then we put ourselves at a disadvantage by refusing to take advantage of them all for what amounts to xenophobic perspectives.

To put a bluntly, if the Chinese want to work for us and want to improve our lives, we should let them.

@lauren

@bigheadtales no!

It's not about what the candidate says, it's about the voters.

We conduct elections for the sake of voters, not for the sake of candidates.

If voters want to vote for an ineligible person, that's how they express themselves. Often enough I vote for my dog because the candidates are just that bad. It's my way of expressing my opinion.

And similarly, maybe voters want to vote for Trump EVEN IF he's not actually eligible to be president.

They are two completely different questions.

Elections are how voters express their opinions, separate from how their opinions might work out in the end.

It's just how democracy works.

@RevPudDudley at that point it's up to the citizens of the state who do consider the Court to be credible.

In fact it seems like the problem you're trying to highlight is that the court remains credible to so many people, regardless of your own personal opinions.

@BruceMirken