volkris @volkris@qoto.org

@CivilityFan

I live on the planet where precedents were so important to the Supreme Court's process that the Dobb's opinion went out of its way to include two appendices doing nothing but laying them out.

People will often spread misinformation about what courts say. In any case that's important to you, there is no substitute for reading the ruling directly.

Here it is, so you can read it with your own eyes.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/19-1392_6j37.pdf
@MugsysRapSheet @philip_cardella@historians.social @TonyStark @axeshun

@Thebratdragon the Supreme Court not only didn't say that but would have had no authority to say that.

Pull up the opinions directly from the Court and you'll see that whomever is telling you these things is misinforming you.

@fkamiah17

@hasani If your like or dislike for Musk has nothing to do with it, then why do you bring him up at all?

Not to mention, it's not like he has unilateral control of the publicly traded company.

I HAVE had phantom breaking in gas cars. Sometimes breaks misbehave. There's nothing new under the sun there.

Drivers are responsible for being able to handle their cars, even though they're imperfect.

@Leszek_Karlik the key is to make sure it makes more money by being better at education.

@danhulton I think that goes the wrong way:

Yes, businesses have to focus exclusively on their return to shareholders INCLUDING non-financial returns like making the world the better place that shareholders would like to live in.

It's one of those cases where you can take the premise and use it to get to a better conclusion instead of fighting it.

Let them have that premise. Just point out ways in which it leads to the better outcome.

@Thebratdragon the Texas abortion regulations don't prevent abortion in the case of even significant complication much less risk of death.

So no, Texas is not an example of a place where being pregnant is a death sentence. The law specifically says otherwise.

@fkamiah17

@alx

Yeah, and it's especially difficult to build or shape culture on a platform that's intentionally split into different communities surrounding instances.

But one thing that's slightly technical that I think everyone on here needs to realize is that anything one posts goes out into the public and is outside of their control. There's really no privacy or control over content on this platform, which folks need to know when they post.

That part is just part of the framework. It can't be easily changed at this point.

All we can do is improve UIs to improve our own experiences, but the platform doesn't really have a way to do things like stop others from commenting.

It can only stop me from being exposed to their comment.

@fkamiah17 where exactly does getting pregnant become a death sentence?

Every abortion regulation I'm familiar with allows procedures to save the life of the mother, and courts seem to promote that as well.
@Thebratdragon

@lovelylovely so first we can blame Obama for the lack of response then. Fine.

But second, now that Biden is president he COULD act, but he doesn't. That's on him when his words are so blunt.

(And yes, you can blame Trump too in the years between, but right now we're talking about Biden)

@fkamiah17

@fkamiah17 They didn't ignore the ICJ.

The ICJ just didn't come out with particularly significant orders or preliminary findings.

I know folks wanted a substantial outcome from the ICJ process, but that's really an issue with the ICJ.

@naferrell

If you're interested in some of the behind the scenes work, here's a discussion on the mastodon bug tracker about this.

https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/10743

@JohnMFlores it's one of those cases where we certainly have technological ability to make it easier, but for various reasons we're just not solving that problem.

It makes me think in particular about all of the folks around here who are on crusades against those other platforms, and how that attitude stands in the way of building tools to help someone like you post to both fediverse and those others.

@alx I think part of it comes down to the software interfaces to Fediverse not giving users enough control over their own experiences so they get the experience they're looking for.

For example, here the public nature of the Fediverse platform invites everyone to comment with little control by the poster over what he sees, or even who sees his posts.

I really wish Fediverse developers would focus more on empowering users to control their experiences.

@hasani wow, it sounds like you're striving to ignore the simple fact of drivers driving their cars and being responsible for doing so, apparently because you don't like a public figure?

FSD didn't decide to drive. A driver decided to drive and turn on that feature.

One reason it's so important to hold drivers responsible for driving is specifically to caution them against causing exactly this sort of accident.

I personally don't care about Musk, so it's not compelling to ask someone like me to ignore the simple facts in the course of trying to make some point about that troll.

If that's your hobby horse, then great! But it seems pretty antisocial to me, and it will result in more crashes.

@CivilityFan Roe, which was absolutely not ignored in SCOTUS deliberations.

Rather, because they respected precedent, both Roe and generations of precedent that came after and even because of Roe, they wrote extensively about precedent in arriving at their ruling.

The tumult around Roe speaks exactly against your conclusion: it was a great example of how important precedent is to this court.

Should they be ignoring precedent as suggested above it would have been much easier to have settled the question. Instead, they respected precedent in their opinions, addressing precedent front and center.

@MugsysRapSheet @philip_cardella@historians.social @TonyStark @axeshun

@hasani

Again, if you want to blame Tesla for false advertising, great! If the advertising was as misleading as you say, then Tesla is to blame for false advertising.

But they didn't sell customers an autonomous vehicle, and they warned every driver not to treat their purchase as if it was autonomous.

The car did what it was sold as doing. No half baked defect there, the driver got what he bought, and some chose to misuse the product despite warnings not to.

Tesla is responsible for its advertising. It's not responsible for customers choosing to misuse what they bought.

@rhys the key is that a huge swatch of the country think the president's record is incredibly bad, rightly or wrongly.

It's all about perception these days. Facts are a bit out of reach for our society.

So it's looking far too close of an election, with Trump and Biden both being very unpopular, and whichever party chooses a different candidate is almost guaranteed the win.

It's amazing that both parties are willing to roll those dice instead of just taking the win.

@rhys one thing to keep in mind is that Musk didn't directly buy, and doesn't own, Twitter. He needed financing and other backers to raise the cash to buy it.

So now it's owned by a series of corporations that Musk holds stake in.

The point is that offloading Twitter can be kind of under the radar as he quietly lowers his own stake in the company, more turning a dial than flipping a switch.