volkris @volkris@qoto.org

@Wolven in this case it is.

Sometimes society is improved by its resources going toward better uses. We should not be spending society's resources maintaining production of buggy whips, for example, when we no longer have such need for horse drawn buggies.

So it is here. Society found better ways to direct resources, ways that benefit more people better, spreading more wealth throughout society, even as this relatively small group of laborers wanted to protect their jobs against advancement.

We should focus on building up, finding them better ways to use their labor, rather than tearing down, costing everyone the opportunities to benefit from advancement.

@MugsysRapSheet Have you read the argument (that I linked above)? Where specifically do you think it gets it wrong?

You say there is NO intellectually honest way to say it's respecting precedent, and that makes for a dramatic statement, but it seems to me the argument is emphatically focused on doing exactly that.

So where exactly is the argument wrong?

@hosford42 "nothing but have money already" is no trifle.

Those people sacrificed for the greater good, turning down other opportunities to benefit with that money, putting it toward society-improving projects instead.

To be clear, I'm not saying it was charity or that they were good people or anything like that, but for them to forego their own immediate benefit for the sake of a project for the greater good is itself something we should be glad happened.

If industrialism had manifested as worker cooperatives instead of capitalist enterprises then society as a whole would have probably been worse off.
@Wolven

@Wolven that's not what happened

@Wolven they were a labor movement that fought against technology that was set to improve society for all because they were busy clinging to the old ways out of a sense of self-entitlement.

It wasn't a technocrat PR coup. It was society as a whole telling them to knock it off for the sake of the general welfare.

@CivilityFan

I live on the planet where precedents were so important to the Supreme Court's process that the Dobb's opinion went out of its way to include two appendices doing nothing but laying them out.

People will often spread misinformation about what courts say. In any case that's important to you, there is no substitute for reading the ruling directly.

Here it is, so you can read it with your own eyes.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/19-1392_6j37.pdf
@MugsysRapSheet @philip_cardella@historians.social @TonyStark @axeshun

@Thebratdragon the Supreme Court not only didn't say that but would have had no authority to say that.

Pull up the opinions directly from the Court and you'll see that whomever is telling you these things is misinforming you.

@fkamiah17

@hasani If your like or dislike for Musk has nothing to do with it, then why do you bring him up at all?

Not to mention, it's not like he has unilateral control of the publicly traded company.

I HAVE had phantom breaking in gas cars. Sometimes breaks misbehave. There's nothing new under the sun there.

Drivers are responsible for being able to handle their cars, even though they're imperfect.

@Leszek_Karlik the key is to make sure it makes more money by being better at education.

@danhulton I think that goes the wrong way:

Yes, businesses have to focus exclusively on their return to shareholders INCLUDING non-financial returns like making the world the better place that shareholders would like to live in.

It's one of those cases where you can take the premise and use it to get to a better conclusion instead of fighting it.

Let them have that premise. Just point out ways in which it leads to the better outcome.

@Thebratdragon the Texas abortion regulations don't prevent abortion in the case of even significant complication much less risk of death.

So no, Texas is not an example of a place where being pregnant is a death sentence. The law specifically says otherwise.

@fkamiah17

@alx

Yeah, and it's especially difficult to build or shape culture on a platform that's intentionally split into different communities surrounding instances.

But one thing that's slightly technical that I think everyone on here needs to realize is that anything one posts goes out into the public and is outside of their control. There's really no privacy or control over content on this platform, which folks need to know when they post.

That part is just part of the framework. It can't be easily changed at this point.

All we can do is improve UIs to improve our own experiences, but the platform doesn't really have a way to do things like stop others from commenting.

It can only stop me from being exposed to their comment.

@fkamiah17 where exactly does getting pregnant become a death sentence?

Every abortion regulation I'm familiar with allows procedures to save the life of the mother, and courts seem to promote that as well.
@Thebratdragon

@lovelylovely so first we can blame Obama for the lack of response then. Fine.

But second, now that Biden is president he COULD act, but he doesn't. That's on him when his words are so blunt.

(And yes, you can blame Trump too in the years between, but right now we're talking about Biden)

@fkamiah17

@fkamiah17 They didn't ignore the ICJ.

The ICJ just didn't come out with particularly significant orders or preliminary findings.

I know folks wanted a substantial outcome from the ICJ process, but that's really an issue with the ICJ.

@naferrell

If you're interested in some of the behind the scenes work, here's a discussion on the mastodon bug tracker about this.

https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/10743

@JohnMFlores it's one of those cases where we certainly have technological ability to make it easier, but for various reasons we're just not solving that problem.

It makes me think in particular about all of the folks around here who are on crusades against those other platforms, and how that attitude stands in the way of building tools to help someone like you post to both fediverse and those others.

@alx I think part of it comes down to the software interfaces to Fediverse not giving users enough control over their own experiences so they get the experience they're looking for.

For example, here the public nature of the Fediverse platform invites everyone to comment with little control by the poster over what he sees, or even who sees his posts.

I really wish Fediverse developers would focus more on empowering users to control their experiences.