volkris @volkris@qoto.org

@libramoon it's not though.

Because anyone who knows how the Supreme Court works would know that these claims just aren't true. It's real simple. So if you are interested in spreading these silly stories, well that directly speaks to not understanding how the court works.

It's like how people spreading flat Earth stories don't understand how astronomy works or how people spreading vaccine disinformation don't understand how biology works. If you're spreading the silly stories, then you don't understand how it works.

@DoomsdaysCW oh I've seen plenty of that nonsense.

It would be laughable if it wasn't so sad that so many people buy into it when the Supreme Court rulings are right there in the public record for anybody to read for themselves, which is the whole point of them being public, which would quickly debunk all of those nutty conspiracy theories.

@dougiec3 well no.

Roe v Wade has been unsettled pretty much since it was drafted, with Casey being just the best example to show that.

So no, it's not the Thomas Court and it didn't scrap settled law. That whole story is just wrong on the facts.

@QueenValhalla@mastodon.world That's not how the ruling came down.

@DoomsdaysCW That's a nice conspiracy theory you've got there.

@kgw because it's a dumb claim that isn't really supported by the record, as the Supreme Court publishes its opinions that have not only diverse vote counts but also, and more importantly, stated reasoning that is not based on partisanship.

It's not more of an election issue because anyone who is informed knows that it's basically a conspiracy theory, basically just sensationalized nonsense to say that the court is plagued by partisan bias.

It's not an election issue because so many of us are better informed.

@janisf if you have solid evidence of election fraud, please do provide it.

We've had, what, a decade now of people making such claims without being able to make such a case.

But maybe you have the evidence that's been missing.

@janisf no, not at all. I don't particularly have faith in people, but at the same time, I do notice that people do get to vote, even if they vote for very stupid things.

And really, recognizing that people are voting for stupid things is part of trying to encourage people to stop voting for stupid things.

@libramoon no because there are actual rules for how the US government works.

Sure, one can have an opinion about whether those rules are good or bad, but they are what they are. You might as well be denying that there exists a supreme Court at all.

No, it exists. And it doesn't work the way you seem to think it works.

@janisf no, by definition the system is absolutely not more complex than the votes. The entire point of the design, the entire focus of the design, is to ensure that it is not more complex than the votes.

But that's fine if you need to be done. But I would flat out say that you are factually wrong here.

We have systems set up to specifically put votes at the core of the democratic operation. Again, the whole point is that it is not more complex than votes. The US system learned from the British system to make it so.

@janisf You're not looking at the causality though.

Unfathomable? No. It's exactly within what I'm saying here.

I fathom it actively! And I think you're missing it.

@libramoon it's like disagreeing about whether the world is round. Okay. Maybe we just disagree. In my opinion, it's pretty foolish to be a flat earther, but go for it I guess.

It doesn't seem like a productive way to go though.

@TheConversationUS yeah I sure wish Democrats would have remembered that before they nominated such a flawed person.

That's really the message. Next time nominate someone better, because you don't necessarily have our votes.

@libramoon well then you're not seeing how the real world actually works, and whoever you're listening to is lying to you. You need to find better sources of information if this is what you're seeing.

@janisf what in the world?

How does capitalism make men beat their wives and children? How do they profit off of that?

@janisf but the machine is us. We have the votes.

No I see the marginal accountability that dumped Biden. It's just not enough. He lost the support of some of the elite so he got dumped, but when he needs to hold them accountable to the whole party, not just the elite.p

@dougiec3 The good news is it doesn't really matter if they accept it or not. We don't rely on losers accepting losses.

A lot of people seem to forget that.

Trump is not president today even if he doesn't accept that reality. It's still reality under our system, and it would be ridiculous for it to be any other way.

@gearhead and I would reply that you need to grow up and realize the bigger picture.

The Democratic party nominated this flawed candidate and threatens to grant Trump the win on the basis of assuming that they would get our votes regardless of who they nominated. They could have nominated someone better, and maybe they would have if they didn't think they were entitled to our votes.

It's not a rhetorical slap in the face. It's a call for Democrats to do better as a party to serve us better, to serve the country better.

Statements like if the GOP succeeds your right to your opinions is doomed, that's just propaganda, it's nonsense and it's being used to try to trap our votes

The party should have had a legit primary process to capture the democratic outcome. The powers that be in the party made the choice to skip it and go with this bad candidate instead.

For the sake of future elections, we should not reward that.

It sucks that they did that, but they need to be accountable for the loss of votes.

@DJ_2280 and the reason it doesn't matter is because the manifesto has been roundly rejected on a bipartisan basis.

@ChemicalEyeGuy it is not at all true that Donald Trump took away the freedom to have an abortion.

That's simply false.