@Cosmic If you really want to go that far, then the basic act of living day-to-day is managerialist.
When you manage the food going into your own mouth for lunch, I guess you're a managerialist then?
But such a broad definition doesn't seem useful. Such management of basic resources is just universal among living beings.
death, gun violence, healthcare
@Hex except, as much as that sort of story has been circulating, that's not what actually happened.
The CEO didn't provide healthcare. That's not how this system works. He was murdered, and a lot of people are cheering his murder for something he didn't do, which is as unjust as it could be.
He didn't commit those atrocities. Factually, that is not what happened. So here was an innocent man put to death over a sensationalized story that bears no connection with reality, that cannot bear a connection to reality, that anyone with any level of education about the real world would know to be a false story.
But here we are. The same old false stories being circulated by people who apparently don't know any better. Because I guess our education system and our media has utterly failed to inform the population.
And so an innocent man was put to death without due process.
@macbraughton What shit are you referring to?
@mekkaokereke No, what I end up asking is, who is in favor of more police brutality, over policing, and things like that?
Everybody is against that stuff.
Why don't we do it everywhere? Because it's not a simple issue. It's not like there's a light switch to flip to never have police brutality again. Instead, because police are human and humans are going to misbehave, we are forever stuck with it, and we can work to minimize it, but we can't get rid of it.
Why don't we get rid of police brutality everywhere? Because it's impossible. It's not an option on the table.
You list off cities where you say it has worked, but I don't know what you're talking about, having experience in some of those cities, it's definitely not worked.
It sounds like you are promoting this really unrealistic version of solutions that haven't gone the way you think they have.
@cdarwin No that's not correct. That's not how the US government operates.
For very important reasons, he does not answer to we the people. Maybe the most importantly is that the president has to be held accountable for the operation of his branch of government.
We won't be able to hold Trump accountable if we ignore that his employees answer to him, if we ignore that he is responsible for everything they do.
No, he doesn't answer to we the people. He answers to the president which is exactly why the president stands to be impeached if his branch misbehaves.
@realTuckFrumper this is so backwards.
The counseling of the EC votes is exactly the time that they should be putting forward election challenges. That's exactly how the system is designed to work. But the Democrats seem to have concluded that they should have challenged elections in every way except for the one way that matters.
The Democratic party is such a mess. They have really let the whole country down.
@danwentzel when you figure out how to make humans that are not greedy, let us know.
For now, humans are going to follow their incentives. They're going to do what makes them happy. They're going to value the things they like and pursue the things they want.
If you want to get greed out of our healthcare then you're going to have to figure out some new breed of human. Because until you do, healthcare is always going to involve greedy humans, and that's that.
@VeroniqueB99 If pizza was really really expensive to make this would make sense.
@kcarruthers but this is MSNBC basically promoting a conspiracy theory. It's unrealistic, it's out there, it's nutty. And honestly they play into Trump's hands by promoting it.
No, project 2025 is not the Bible they seem to think it is, and all this nonsense about authoritarianism and fascism just makes them look silly, and in the end, helped Trump win as people saw through it.
@rightardia The important thing is to keep in mind that even Trump's diehard supporters emphasize that he's not actually looking to follow through on that promise.
@Cosmic but what's the connection between the two?
Yes, a person can do two different things. It doesn't mean those two things are the same.
Mitt Romney also probably ate meat. Does that mean capitalists are carnivores? No.
@Cosmic how is capitalism a managerialist ideology?
I'd say is the opposite, at its core recognizing people following their Independent incentives to invest capital toward their goals.
@cdarwin It's a silly idea.
Congress can remove justices anytime they want if they are too old to serve and won't step down. There's no reason to have a limit like this, it effectively excuses our congresspeople from doing their jobs.
@Sarmyth One thing that occurs to me, it sounds like you don't understand the justice system.
The point of the justice system is not to avenge whatever cause you personally get behind. Just because the justice system doesn't kill the person you want killed doesn't mean it's not working. It just means that your bloodthirst is maybe not something that the rest of us get behind.
And thank goodness. After all, it could be coming for you.
@HyperboreanWave of course it's murder. It fits the definition of murder.
Now whether or not you are a pro murder is a different issue, but if you are in support of murder, own it. If you think we should be murdering people, then stand behind your stance there.
If you're not willing to say proudly that you are in favor of murder then maybe you should rethink being in favor of murder.
@HyperboreanWave You're not exactly keeping The high ground there when defending murder.
It's one thing for the edgelord to say society should let people die. But you managed to sink below even that level when defending active killing.
@realTuckFrumper sounds like Top Dem doesn't know how the federal government operates, which has generally seemed to be a problem for the Democrats.
We have got to stop reelecting incompetent people.
@not_that_guy05 Believe it or not, businesses do plan ahead...
@DrCAleaseSmith Well it's because she lost so absolutely that recounts would have clearly been futile. And it was backed up by data ahead of time showing that she would lose. So it would have just been negative for her to go through that whole process just to be told again that she had lost.
I think I heard that she went to Hawaii for a while after the loss, and then she put out a really cringy video admitting defeat and encouraging others to keep fighting or something. It wasn't really clear what the message was.
But then, that's the main quality of her whole campaign, she never really had a solid message the whole time.
@Sarmyth except, that's not how health insurance works.
Since I guess everything is political these days, I'll identify as extremely liberal but without a home in US politics.
Mainly, there's so much misinformation out there that people in society have trouble even organizing into coherent political groupings. So I'd rather not talk about politics but instead focus on information and education. Nothing else matters until the bedrock of fact is buttressed.
But... people are always going to be wrong on the internet, as the saying goes.
So: Old man yells at clouds is a famous joke from The Simpsons, and it probably fairly describes what we do when venting on social media.
Just speaking into the void, since I figure it's an exercise in futility to conduct discussions on these platforms.