volkris @volkris@qoto.org

@jeffowski

Counterpoint: "do no harm"

@ravenonthill @darnell

When I mentioned this concern to one group somebody replied that they are not actually teaching big-O scalability analysis in computer science all that much these days.

I don't know if that's true, but considering this, I wouldn't be surprised.

@stevesilberman @Al_Drago

Really it's only jaw dropping to people who continue to overestimate the amount of sway Trump has these days.

The guy has long sense shown himself to be an impotent has been.

The sooner we fully embrace that and stop stroking his ego by treating him as if he still has sway, the sooner he will go away and stop being so damn annoying.

It's not jaw dropping. It's just the way most people would react these days.

@darnell @nickapos

Well in the end it's all about big-O analysis that I get the impression was rarely ever considered.

@kaelef @darnell

Well it's not an answer to your question, but I don't know anything about development or future of ActivityPub.

I'm just sitting here in my armchair to say that the improvements I would want to see would probably represent a whole new standard not just tweaks to this one.

For example I really grumble that end-to-end encryption sorts of features were not core to the whole thing. I really think ActivityPub missed a chance to really empower users using PKI in its core but at this point it would have to start from scratch for a solution that I would really be into.

I'm not sure what they could do about scaling now. The decisions leading to those problems might be too far ingrained into the standard to really address them.

@nickapos @darnell

No, I have heard people complaining about it even on relatively modest instances.

I've heard people complaining that marginal increases in users on their instances led to them having to completely reevaluate hosting plans because of how quickly it grew.

That's how such exponential scaling works, though. Small increases in users leads to large increases in costs.

@shakespearenut

I don't like McCarthy and I don't particularly like this speech, but I had to laugh that Jeffries came across as a badly written SNL character doing ironic beat poetry out of place.

That list of alliterative words was really the cherry on top. He seemed so proud to have come up with it, but, come on.

@ZuriBella

Oh it wasn't pointless.

The Democrats' strategy of unanimous voting managed to push the Republicans into caving to their fringe rebels so that now they've lost that enormous bargaining chip.

I have no idea why the Democrats chose that strategy, but hope it got them where they wanted to go.

@darnell

Well to go on about this just a little bit more, when I read the ActivityPub standard It really jumped out at me that the standard required these exponentially increasing numbers of internet connections to be opened and messages to be passed.

It's not just about reading source code, it's just looking at the design of a system that requires an instance to contact so many other instances to transmit so many copies of messages, one by one, that scales questionably.

There's just a bunch of elements where factors multiply and multiply so that as the system gets more load it has to spend exponentially more resources to address the load.

@darnell

What makes you expect the delay for ActivityPub?

@nicolewolverton

If I understand the situation correctly, I actually like cases like these where the one with skin in the game is taking the hit to get their policies implemented.

It's like they really believe it.

@ToplessTopics

I support your escape from the bonds of the character limit! 🙂

That's One of the main reasons I never used Twitter.

@TwistedEagle

We will use our authority to counter authoritarianism!

What could go wrong!

@robert @Paulatics

Any time gerrymandering comes up it is the tip of a very large and complicated iceberg.

But we can also look at some other things to confirm the division, things ranging from the Senate which is not subject to gerrymandering (but yes, is subject to population proportionality issues) through polling that shows both directly and indirectly, through things like historic lack of confidence in our institutions, that there is so much division and distrust these days.

There's always the issue of every generation thinking the new generation is worse, but in this case we have historical records to show that yes, things really actually are historically worse now than they have been.

So with such dysfunctional society, objectively by all of these different ways of looking at it, it shouldn't be much of a surprise that the representative body would also be dysfunctional.

@aftd

Yep.
Unfortunately, the voting brought us to the point where agreeing to these sorts of rules is the only way to begin a session with any chance of anything that even looks like real work.

One funny thing is that after all this, McCarthy is probably going to be extremely safe from actually being ousted since should he go this whole process would have to start all over again, and nobody wants to see that.

They might have to go through a bunch of annoying votes to shut up the loudmouths, though.

@jessicamauerhan

Exactly.

Like I said, some of them can be a little temperamental when it comes to getting just the right amount of light, and I think sometimes tap water might be bad for them, but bugs are sort of a special treat they don't really need to survive.

@maccath says those fly traps have been alive for years with not much to eat, and that sounds to me like a back door brag about having a clean house 🙂

@jessicamauerhan