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@jik

But it IS preferencing Black voters over other voters, even if that's the thing that should be done.

Instead of denying that they'd be receiving these benefits, why not pivot and instead emphasize that they are entitled to the benefit?

Why not first accept the reality, but also promote the idea that it's a good thing? That makes for a more durable solution than denying that it's happening at all.

After all, if you deny that something is happening, that makes it easier to reverse later on, because after all, it's supposedly not happening.

@Bam

Yes, that's how the US legal system works.

Each stage in a legal dispute has its own rules specifying benefit of the doubt as the arguing parties prepare their best arguments and present them to judges.

These practices have emerged from centuries of application, as societies around the world have figured out the best ways to conduct trials.

@theawkwardtsar

I mean, here's the ruling so you can read the reasoning for yourself, so you don't have to delve into such conspiracy theories.

This ruling was completely in keeping with the Court's history. There was nothing odd here. They applied the law in a reasonable way.

supremecourt.gov/opinions/22pd

@junecasagrande

LA Times is really misleading here.

Firstly, that's not what the ruling said. The ruling just said that the lower court properly applied SCOTUS precedents in *rejecting* a map.

But the Times's story misleads that there is a contradiction here. Even if Roberts opposed a clause in a law, now it's his job to rule on laws even if he doesn't personally favor them.

It's a completely different job in a completely different situation.

@Tribear

People being surprised at rulings really need to stop and consider that their surprise indicates a lack of understanding of the Court.

When this sort of thing happens, a person should stop and reevaluate where they get their news, since that place has let them down, leading them to not see something coming.

The voting rights case handed down today should not be a surprise to anyone who really keeps up with the Court.
Heck, the core of the opinion was about remaining consistent with their past rulings.

@Bethanyrberger

No, because today's ruling was against a specific backdrop, outlining specific tests that may not have applied to any other state in the country.

It wasn't merely "make more majority-minority districts" but rather about applying existing precedent and tests for, for example, compactness that might have no application to those other cases.

The shadow docket didn't give Republicans control over the House. Voters did that.

@helplessduck

People underestimate how complicated the topic of gerrymandering is in the first place. It's not something you can simply get rid of since it's also used for good.

States also use gerrymandering to amplify the voices of marginalized groups, bringing them together into areas where they'll be able to choose representation.

It's because these balances are so subjective that the courts tend to stay out of it.

@jik

I mean, the two aren't mutually exclusive.

A proportional resolution can be favorable, and it sounds like this case is arguably relatively favorable, just as the headline says.

Heck, if the requested resolution wasn't favorable then the requester wouldn't have standing in the first place.

@hmelman

No, there were even pictures in the copyright case handed down a few weeks ago.

@mnutty

Yes, but they declined to expand the federal debt or increase taxes.

For people who wanted a more expanded set of social services it is really striking that they declined to provide any financing for it, which led us to this situation.

Democrats could have and should have provided financing for their priorities, one way or another, but apparently their priorities were not committed enough to actually do that.

@mnutty

Well keep in mind that the marketing would only be effective if it resonated with his base.

If Republicans were so opposed to social programs, even though they strangely keep voting to fund them, then why in the world would a Republican politician advertise himself in a way that would turn off Republicans?

And more, how in the world has he been successful in appealing to voters using positions that voters dislike?

What you're saying here just doesn't make any sense against what we see. It requires us to discount all of this evidence and instead jump through many hoops to maintain these claims that just don't square with reality.

@saluki

It's a serious question with a serious answer: people will move when the user experience is sufficiently better to overcome the effort it takes to move.

A serious answer because it emphasizes that we can complain about corporations all day, but until the platform actually has such a better user experience, none of that matters to most people.

They must be won over with a higher quality offering, not ideology.

@admin

Do you happen to know how reporting works with the protocol? Is it part of the protocol, or something added on, or is it part of the protocol but just transmitted through a standard bit of content addressed to the admin?

I'd go look it up myself but I am on my phone right now, so I'd be interested if you happen to know.

@mastodon.internal

@mnutty

I don't know where you are getting your information, but mainstream Republicans flat out campaign on preserving and expanding social services before putting their pins to paper to vote on funding social services.

I think you're buying into a theory that just doesn't match reality when we pull up the record.

Didn't I share you a link above where even one of the hardcore Republicans was releasing a statement in which he was adamant that social services be preserved? I think it was this thread.

@mempko

To be clear, debt is not necessary, only better, in light of most transactions.

We absolutely could have economies that operate with zero debt at all, and we would still have economic growth and value for those involved. We could, but it would be far far less growth and less value. We choose to engage debt because it provides that much more value over the alternative.

It's like, sure we could have a society without mechanized transport. The reason we choose to engage cars and trains and everything else isn't because they are required, but because they make our lives so much better, enabling so much more.

We apply debt because it so exponentially expands the economic options for us all. And banks help coordinate that technology. But it's all optional nonetheless.

@mnutty

According to the civil servants at the Treasury, they were bringing in plenty of revenue to service the debts regardless of the debt ceiling, so no, Republicans did not and could not have threatened the credit standing of the country.

That was all up to the administration. It already had the borrowing power to maintain the credit standing of the country.

But even setting that aside, you're still brushing right past the way that it was Democrats who set this up. You can talk about how Republicans responded to the situation, but even so, Democrats set up the situation through their legislation and executive action.

Don't like that Republicans used this situation to press for change? Fine, but let's be clear that Democrats actively gave them that opportunity. Let's hold them accountable for it.

@kkarhan

If a parliament passes a budget then lord knows the US president should ignore it since there is no parliament involved in the US system of government :)

The US does not have a parliamentary system of government. The one has nothing to do with the other.

The US system is fundamentally different from a parliamentary system for better or worse.

@femme_mal

@femme_mal

When the people we've elected pass laws that are impossible to execute, as is the current situation, that doesn't grant the president extra power.

Rather it means the laws themselves are subject to nullification. And yes, we should vote all of the clowns out. But we reelected them, so *shrug*

The last Congress voted to authorize the president to spend a bunch of money that wouldn't exist. "Out of the $10 in your pocket, you may spend $20."

That's not license for the president to mug someone to acquire the extra $10. It means the $10 of spending can't happen, so the president is right to ignore the impossible action.

@kkarhan

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