volkris @volkris@qoto.org

@hosford42 that is literally not what happened.

@Wolven

@MugsysRapSheet

Yes, Republicans tend to be pretty dumb, what of it?

It doesn't at all change what the Supreme Court actually said, or all of the misrepresentations of what the Supreme Court said, from Republicans and others.

@nazgul nope.

The technological advancements meant that less work was needed to supply goods for society.

If parents and children started dying in sweatshops 7 days a week that's a different problem that the technological advancements made less necessary.

If it happened anyway don't blame the technology that offered an alternative.

@Wolven

@josh CEOs are held accountable all the time. Lots are fired, lose their pay, get sued, etc.

@MugsysRapSheet I'm reading the SCOTUS decision from a point of view that if we want to know what SCOTUS said we should consult SCOTUS.

The rest doesn't actually matter, because that's how the US legal system works.

Again, where exactly do you find an error in their actual ruling, not in some strawman set up for dramatic sake?

@Hyolobrika well more importantly, it wasn't even logic as much as fact.

It's quite frustrating that someone would get so upset over a matter that they've been factually mislead about. The person had been lied to about what was happening in Texas, and that's really a shame.

But that's really the state of affairs in the US these days, and the state of journalism in general.
People have their own sets of facts, and pointing out that they've been factually mislead is regarded as trolling.

It's how echo chambers protect themselves.
@Thebratdragon @fkamiah17

@Wolven in this case it is.

Sometimes society is improved by its resources going toward better uses. We should not be spending society's resources maintaining production of buggy whips, for example, when we no longer have such need for horse drawn buggies.

So it is here. Society found better ways to direct resources, ways that benefit more people better, spreading more wealth throughout society, even as this relatively small group of laborers wanted to protect their jobs against advancement.

We should focus on building up, finding them better ways to use their labor, rather than tearing down, costing everyone the opportunities to benefit from advancement.

@MugsysRapSheet Have you read the argument (that I linked above)? Where specifically do you think it gets it wrong?

You say there is NO intellectually honest way to say it's respecting precedent, and that makes for a dramatic statement, but it seems to me the argument is emphatically focused on doing exactly that.

So where exactly is the argument wrong?

@hosford42 "nothing but have money already" is no trifle.

Those people sacrificed for the greater good, turning down other opportunities to benefit with that money, putting it toward society-improving projects instead.

To be clear, I'm not saying it was charity or that they were good people or anything like that, but for them to forego their own immediate benefit for the sake of a project for the greater good is itself something we should be glad happened.

If industrialism had manifested as worker cooperatives instead of capitalist enterprises then society as a whole would have probably been worse off.
@Wolven

@Wolven that's not what happened

@Wolven they were a labor movement that fought against technology that was set to improve society for all because they were busy clinging to the old ways out of a sense of self-entitlement.

It wasn't a technocrat PR coup. It was society as a whole telling them to knock it off for the sake of the general welfare.

@CivilityFan

I live on the planet where precedents were so important to the Supreme Court's process that the Dobb's opinion went out of its way to include two appendices doing nothing but laying them out.

People will often spread misinformation about what courts say. In any case that's important to you, there is no substitute for reading the ruling directly.

Here it is, so you can read it with your own eyes.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/19-1392_6j37.pdf
@MugsysRapSheet @philip_cardella@historians.social @TonyStark @axeshun

@Thebratdragon the Supreme Court not only didn't say that but would have had no authority to say that.

Pull up the opinions directly from the Court and you'll see that whomever is telling you these things is misinforming you.

@fkamiah17

@hasani If your like or dislike for Musk has nothing to do with it, then why do you bring him up at all?

Not to mention, it's not like he has unilateral control of the publicly traded company.

I HAVE had phantom breaking in gas cars. Sometimes breaks misbehave. There's nothing new under the sun there.

Drivers are responsible for being able to handle their cars, even though they're imperfect.

@Leszek_Karlik the key is to make sure it makes more money by being better at education.

@danhulton I think that goes the wrong way:

Yes, businesses have to focus exclusively on their return to shareholders INCLUDING non-financial returns like making the world the better place that shareholders would like to live in.

It's one of those cases where you can take the premise and use it to get to a better conclusion instead of fighting it.

Let them have that premise. Just point out ways in which it leads to the better outcome.

@Thebratdragon the Texas abortion regulations don't prevent abortion in the case of even significant complication much less risk of death.

So no, Texas is not an example of a place where being pregnant is a death sentence. The law specifically says otherwise.

@fkamiah17

@alx

Yeah, and it's especially difficult to build or shape culture on a platform that's intentionally split into different communities surrounding instances.

But one thing that's slightly technical that I think everyone on here needs to realize is that anything one posts goes out into the public and is outside of their control. There's really no privacy or control over content on this platform, which folks need to know when they post.

That part is just part of the framework. It can't be easily changed at this point.

All we can do is improve UIs to improve our own experiences, but the platform doesn't really have a way to do things like stop others from commenting.

It can only stop me from being exposed to their comment.