There's a conversation happening on tik tok about what women would do during a social apocalypse and I find it *fascinating* that men don't realize women have already run this scenario and we have our plan.

(And no. Our plan does NOT entail exchanging sex for protection.)

Without the parameters of society, BIPOC and women know *exactly* who the threat is and it isn't zombies.

@DeliaChristina I tend to assume most people like myself have run this scenario, and looked up the degrading returns on photovoltaics in preference of hydroelectric with regard to long term returns... even if maintaining the latter is harder, it's at least possible.

I'm not concerned about zombies, or commies, it's guys with red hats who think they're entitled. On that, the apocalypse just exacerbates it.

But solar is good in the short term... anyway.

@empire @DeliaChristina *blink*, *blink* … I don't think, OP was referring to the technological challenges… which in some way exactly makes an example of her point.

Anyway, with respect to degradation of photovoltaics, I think you should update your knowledge. There's been a couple of long term experiments going on, some for 40 years, and we now have hard data. It's an asymptotic process (not linear!), bottoming out at about 70% of original peak power output, and then stays there.

@datenwolf @DeliaChristina I'm aware, and I agree that one of us missed the point.

I've followed solar performance and I still think perovskite will break through, but even at peaks of 23% and the effects of.. well everything silicon photovoltaics degrade from, they aren't really repairable without very expensive and rare equipment.

A turbine just needs new windings once in a while...

@empire @DeliaChristina With a turbine you then better make sure, that all of the control systems are purely electromechanical, with no semiconductors technology present in there whatsoever, because anything more complex than a diode is going a lot harder to make/replace than a PV cell.

Either way, it's still missing the objective. All this "self sustenance" theory crafting is moot. The planning should be focused on how to implement societal stopgaps preventing large scale collapse.