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@mpjgregoire@mamot.fr

I agree, where does this end, ?perhaps we should sue Italy for the Romans invading the UK.

@zleap @mpjgregoire It likely is a way of getting some headlines or trying to get a settlement.

The people suing for damages are not the ones directly impacted by the acts. Without getting into how the countries handled the repeal of slavery in a legal sense it is not going to go forward.

If the law allows people who are impacted by acts done to their ancestors and can sue the current generation then the US government would face plenty of suing. It would actually be worse for the US government as it has remained as one entity.

@MauriceLeopold @mpjgregoire@mamot.fr

Indeed, would it just apply to Slavery Could the govrnment also face huge lawsuits from the indigenous population.

What about what happened in South America, with the Incas, Aztecs et al wiped out by Europeans, either through violence or simply spreading disease.

I know in the US the Emancipation Proclamation freed the slaves, if I understand my history then this was signed by Abraham Lincoln

They money would be far better spent ensuring future generations are able to be taught about what happened, learn, debate and discuss openly and form conclusions.

@zleap @mpjgregoire The US government likely would not face much charges due to the treaties that it has signed and how international law is enforced in the country.

There are some moves to allow people to sue governments but it likely would run into the problem that the individual themselves are not entitled to anything.

That is without us thinking that the US government has made it very hard to sue itself.

Learning and education sounds more like the standard benefits of historical education. If a group in society was harmed by the slavery (as it could be assumed that a group has benefited from slavery in the case of the celebrity), then if you wish to lift that group back up then more then historical education may be needed.

Comes down to if you want the government or society to try and lift groups of people who fall down up or groups who fell down due to reasons that were bad (slavery etc). The answer to that will determine what sort of actions if any should be done.

I do think suing on behalf of ancestors would be a stupid way to achieve anything.

@MauriceLeopold @mpjgregoire@mamot.fr

The Uk government have been taken to the ECHR over their Rwanda policy so it is possible to hold governments to accounts with an external entity, if there is no resolution in the supreme court.

@zleap @mpjgregoire That assumes of course that the government allows itself to be taken to trial. My go to example would be China with the South China Sea.

US warcrimes would be a more American example of the refusal of allowing foreign powers to rule on US government actions and their employees actions.

Perhaps you could find the answer in how the US justifies the constitutionality of extradition treaties?

@MauriceLeopold @mpjgregoire@mamot.fr

Not sure but that seems to be a one way thing, you can be extradited TO the US but US citizens are protected from extradition,

@zleap @mpjgregoire "The Extradition Act 1988 sets out a number of requirements that must be met before Australia can make or accept an extradition request. Those requirements may be supplemented by requirements contained in a multilateral or bilateral treat"
I used a quick example I know about. In its example it uses the United States of America. The recent extradition of a American spy to the UK would be my other example.

The US like all countries can refuse. However it can and will send it citizens to face trial.

(Source)
https://www.ag.gov.au/international-relations/international-crime-cooperation-arrangements/extradition#:~:text=International%20extradition,-Australia%20has%20extradition&text=For%20example%2C%20extradition%20is%20used,the%20person%20in%20the%20USA.
you know what? we could bring capitalism down on its knees if all that surplus value abusively extracted were to be demanded back! if only rule of law wasn't designed to maintain privileges firmly rooted...
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