@pony Sorry, off-topic comment: that scene looks so odd. Only after few seconds it struck me how few people there are.

Scenes of void modern urban architecture...

@FailForward i had to walk a bit forward not to have like 40 people waiting for a bus at that stop in frame, lol
@FailForward but yeah, the struggle there is real, the developer and owner, local semi-oligarch would LOVE to have the place full of people out of the business hours, however consistently fails to attract anyone (mostly because he cannot (for regulatory reasons) and doesn't want to (for $$ reasons) build virtually any housing there)

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I don't think it is only about building residential areas. Nobody wants to move to a gray concrete blocks neighborhood. What is actually missing in that photo of yours are **trees** and **grass** and rest areas. That's what attracts people to spend time in a neighborhood. And it's not too expensive either.

@FailForward @pony
it's around E14.4555963 N50.0481521
some trees actually are there. i think there maybe are more people around lunchtime
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@piggo @pony I see. What I meant more was something like this (just a random google image search for "livable street"). Nothing fancy, just stuff making people naturally slow down and stay a bit. Instead of leaving. Even a nice park behind a corner exactly does not make it.

But none of these are fixed and can be fixed later after the thing is built. So let's hope for good.

@FailForward @piggo the road is a pre-existing thing in this development though and the developer actually tried a lot of things to make it less horrible, like, the crossing beneath the footbridge is something they fought for really hard and is only few years old, the "square" opposite to this bus stop, even if kinda shitty, also used to be an unapologetic parking lot

i mean, i also think the development kinda sucks, but there are much worse things
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