@Pat It’s as if COVID in 2022 is dramatically different from COVID in 2020….
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>" it stopped being more deadly when it became the democrat strain lmao"
When Trump took off his mask after barely recovering from COVID-19, the media went crazy.
Now Biden goes on a national TV talk show, takes his mask off in front of a large live audience and nobody says anything. It's even more dangerous now with the more contagous strains, and he knows better. But Biden ordered the media to stop talking about COVID-19 in February 2022 so it has nearly zero coverage now.
I agree with the politically motivated treatment of covid... more deadly, not so much. I am running a company that is in the COVID arena and we rely on sampling people with covid. We struggle to even get samples at all right now.
also, perhaps people are dying because all attempts at supplying treatment have been suppressed at all levels.
NIH own trial database shows ivermectin is quite useful. good luck getting a hospital to give it without court order.
>"it is not normal for them to become more deadly."
The COVID-19 virus has already demonstrated that it does that -- mutates to become more virulent, more deadly.
Thats false. While Omicron was, intitially, far more virulent it actually decreased significantly after its initial introduction to the population. As of February (the last good analysis I saw) omicron was in fact many orders of magnitude LESS virulant than delta was at that same time.
As for death rate, no, the death rate went down significantly not up. Partly due to it being easier to treat than other varients apparently.
To put some specific numbers on it the transmission rate (Beta) in february for omicron was ~0.06, for delta in feb it was ~0.11
My understanding is that Delta was the most virulent. So it went from wild-Alpha-Beta-Delta. That's mutating from a less lethal strain to a more lethal strain. It has demonstrated that it can mutate to a more lethal strain.
Also, I think Omicron is more virulent than Alpha (not sure), which is the lineage for Omicron strain (Omicron came from the Alpha strain, not via Delta).
Epidemiologist have warned about the posibility of COVID-19 mutating to a very deadly strain.
if a virus grows too deadly then it kills its natural host and is punished and so the evolutionary pressure against killing the host before spreading is created.
if the hosts are protected from dying by synthetic immunity, nothing stops that strain from mutating upward and shedding.
this has already been observed in prior diseases.
Re death counts: https://qoto.org/@Pat/108258209223634011
Well how can the rate be negative unless they're fucking with numbers?
They arent negative, I linked the numbers. All positive, but each strain is becoming less deadly.
>"They arent negative..."
Yes they were. Cummuative counts went down from one day to the next because they changed the criteria.
CDC same thing. There's even a footnote at the CDC count page that says cummulative counts can go negative because of this.
The states changed their criteria. I put sources in that thread.
@Pat Oh, you are talking about something different... Preliminary numbers are preliminary for a reason. Once they discover people didnt actually die of covid (as the numbers move from preliminary to actual) they are taken off the list and the death count goes down... this is perfectly normal and to be expected and doesnt indicate manipulation.
You need to remember there are **always** two sets of numbers.. preliminary numbers which tend to be higher than the real numbers but are used to determine trends.. then there are the actual numbers which dont come out until months later where the false positives in the preliminary numbers are removed by investigating cause of death. These numbers are almost always lower and more accurate but come out with several months delay.
No it not prelim numbers. They changed the criteria earlier this year. Several states did that to make the numbers look better this year.
But that's really just nonsense compared to the major point -- a milion people are dead who didn't have to die because the CDC and others didn't tell people the most effective way to prevent infection and spred of the virus.
That's the bottom line. They intentionally withheld and blocked the distribution of information that would have saved those lives. They are still doing it today.
@Pat Even if your right and there was some evidence that respirators could have saved lives the notion that the whole population is going to go around half-dressed in hazmat is absolutely absurd. No one would do it, and no one should be expected to. There are limits to what is reasonable.
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cumulative death counts really has little relevance here. We only care about the current rates,
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