freemo>All very reasonable. I'd say the most responsible thing to do is wait about 2 years from the initial vaccine being released and at that point consider the safety. Anything less just seems a bit reckless to me unless your high risk or something.

@freemo @sergeantcat

pat>Thank God that the guys who stormed the beaches during Operation Overlord didn't use that same calculus.

freemo>Not sure I see the connection.

@freemo - I meant to do something that helps everyone even if you believe you may be taking on some personal risk.

(Incidentally - During the beginning of the pandemic, people in the US were facing about the same risk of death as those who participated in Operation Overlord.)

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Here's a summary of the logic of the anti-maskers / anti-vaxers in the US:

"There is no virus, there is no pandemic, it's a government conspiracy."

"And the pandemic will miraculously disappear in a few weeks."

"Also, the vaccine doesn't work against the virus."

"And masks won't stop the pandemic either."

"Besides, the pandemic has only killed less than 1% of the population -- only about 600,000 people."

"Also, it's the illegal aliens who are spreading in the virus (because the virus is sentient and knows who is legal and who isn't)."

"And Biden isn't vaccinating the illegals."

"And hey, why are we spending tax dollars to vaccinate the illegals?"

"Plus, I have a constitutional right to carry a biological weapon."

"And I have a right to control my own body (as long as I'm not trying to prevent myself from breeding)."

"Also, wearing a mask makes me uncomfortable, and so does watching all those people dying in the hospital from COVID-19."

-19

For God's sake, if you use an acronym please SIO (spell it out) within parenthesis after the first use in EVERY toot even if you are 100% sure that everyone on the planet knows what it means; because they don't.

What the fuck does mfs mean? Here's what duckduckgo says, and I'm sure none of them are what the poster intended:

Investment Professional - MFS
MFS mutual fund,...
MFS Access For Shareholders
MFS Service Center, Inc.
MFS sponsored employer plans
Microsoft Flight Simulator
Monadnock Family Services
MFS ACT Team
MFS Supply
Multifamily Managers, and Real Estate and REO Professionals.
Modular Fuel System (MFS)
Motorcycle Safety Foundatior
Mass Firearms Store
Search domain massfirearmsshop.commassfirearmsshop.com

Maybe the M means mastodon, maybe the F means federated? Who knows?

I'm sure this is some acronym that that you guys use all the time in in your tight little circle, but if you're going to toot something out in a public toot to whole world and want anybody to know what the fuck you are talking about -- SPELL IT OUT!

It's a pain in the fucking ass to have to look up an acronym and half the time it's so god damned esoteric that even the search engines have no idea what the fuck it is.

The truth is...

From the Boston Globe a couple of days ago:

"State figures put Provincetown’s vaccination rate at 116 percent of eligible residents, though some have questioned the accuracy of the numbers used to calculate that figure."

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= A statement that is logically or literally true (or partly true), but seems to imply something that isn't true or is just plain weird. (for rhetoric, logic or propaganda studies... or just for fun)

Congratulations to the team at Virgin Galactic for a successful fight into (>50 mi) space of the first commercial passenger space vehicle.

(Sirisha Bandla, VP of Government Affairs and Research at Virgin Galactic, looks back at Earth from inside the VSS Eve spacecraft.)

Found this gif of a vector field on wikipedia. It was used to explain the Amperian loop model for a magnetic dipole.

I find it aestetically strangely calming (as well as an effective graphic for explaining the concept.)

The gif was created by user "Geek3". It's at:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:VFP

The page also includes the Python source s/he used to create the graphic.

If a blind man and a sighted man are on a street corner, and the sighted man tells the blind man that no cars are coming and it is safe to cross, but actually a car is coming and the blind man gets run over, is that free speech or a crime?

If God wanted us to run around naked, we'd be born that way.

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The CDC has just announced that when pregnant women take the COVID-19 vaccine, there's a 89% chance that their babies will be born without any clothes.

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= A statement that is logically or literally true (or partly true), but seems to imply something that isn't true or is just plain weird. (for rhetoric, logic or propaganda studies... or just for fun)

Half of all marriages end in divorce.

The other half end with death.

The truth is...

When the invention of the camera was first announced in 1839, no newspapers or magazines included any photographs of the device.

(This toot was originally published Jan 6, 2020)
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(public domain image per SVG SILH)

@freemo

First of all, there was no mask "mandate" from the CDC. It's a guideline. Also, we're talking about more than just wearing a mask -- it's the social distancing, avoiding large gatherings, reducing the number of exposures by making less-frequent trips to the store, etc.

By relaxing the guidelines, the CDC, and the media, have prematurely sent a message that people can drop their guard and people receive that message as "the pandemic is over" and they think that they no longer need to take precautions.

I consume a lot of media from a wide variety of sources and I haven't heard any of the old media outlets reporting that deaths continue to occur at an alarming rate. In fact, they are essentially reporting that "the pandemic is over".

The fact is that those precautions save lives and can virtually extinguish the virus when adhered to universally. Several countries were able to eliminate the virus from their countries *before* the vaccine was available just by getting everyone to follow those precautions.

The reason why more people have died in the US from COVID19 than in any other country is because that asshole in the Whitehouse told people to ignore the precautions, to not wear their masks. And now the CDC and the media are making the same mistake by prematurely claiming "mission accomplished". In countries where they took it seriously and people followed the guidance, they had fewer deaths and in some cases extinguished the virus in their counties *before* the vaccine was even available just by getting everyone to follow the proper protocols.

Those countries were THEN able to go back to normal, to go back to work months ago because the virus had been crushed. The CDC should have waited until community spread of the virus was actually stopped before relaxing the guidance.

15,281 people.

As of this morning, 15,281 people have died from COVID-19 since the CDC relaxed their mask guidance.

That's more than 500 people per day who thought they were safe, but died because the CDC gave them bad advice.

10,835 people.

In the US, 10,835 people have died from COVID-19 since the CDC relaxed their mask guidelines.


Social-distancing tip...

How can you tell when they are too close?

If you can reach their face with your fist, then they were too close.

I'm open to the facts. If they change, then so does my mind.

What facts do you have to present?

Reason is what you listen to, not yelling.

Here are several studies that show the efficacy of mask wearing for the control of COVID-19:

Scientific Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2". Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. 10 November 2020.

Physical distancing, face masks, and eye protection to prevent person-to-person transmission of SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19: a systematic review and meta-analysis |journal=The Lancet |date=27 June 2020 |volume=395 |issue=10242 |pages=1973–1987 |doi=10.1016/S0140-6736(20)31142-9|pmid=32497510 |pmc=7263814 |doi-access=free

Scientific Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2 |url=cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/ |website=Centers for Disease Control and Prevention |date=10 November 2020

Reduction of secondary transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in households by face mask use, disinfection and social distancing: a cohort study in Beijing, China |journal=BMJ Global Health |date=May 2020 |volume=5 |issue=5 |pages=e002794 |doi=10.1136/bmjgh-2020-002794|pmid=32467353 |pmc=7264640 |doi-access=free

Scientific Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2 |url=cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/ |website=Centers for Disease Control and Prevention |date=10 November 2020

Case-Control Study of Use of Personal Protective Measures and Risk for SARS-CoV 2 Infection, Thailand |journal=Emerging Infectious Diseases |date=November 2020 |volume=26 |issue=11 |pages=2607–2616 |doi=10.3201/eid2611.203003|pmid=32931726 |pmc=7588529 |doi-access=free

Scientific Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2 |url=cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/ |website=Centers for Disease Control and Prevention |date=10 November 2020

Absence of Apparent Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from Two Stylists After Exposure at a Hair Salon with a Universal Face Covering Policy – Springfield, Missouri, May 2020 |journal=MMWR. Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report |date=17 July 2020 |volume=69 |issue=28 |pages=930–932 |doi=10.15585/mmwr.mm6928e2|pmid=32673300 |doi-access=free

SARS-CoV-2 Infections and Serologic Responses from a Sample of U.S. Navy Service Members – USS Theodore Roosevelt, April 2020 |journal=MMWR. Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report |date=12 June 2020 |volume=69 |issue=23 |pages=714–721 |doi=10.15585/mmwr.mm6923e4|pmid=32525850 |pmc=7315794 |doi-access=free

Scientific Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2 |url=cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/ |website=Centers for Disease Control and Prevention |date=10 November 2020

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