@Pat It’s as if COVID in 2022 is dramatically different from COVID in 2020….
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>" it stopped being more deadly when it became the democrat strain lmao"
When Trump took off his mask after barely recovering from COVID-19, the media went crazy.
Now Biden goes on a national TV talk show, takes his mask off in front of a large live audience and nobody says anything. It's even more dangerous now with the more contagous strains, and he knows better. But Biden ordered the media to stop talking about COVID-19 in February 2022 so it has nearly zero coverage now.
I agree with the politically motivated treatment of covid... more deadly, not so much. I am running a company that is in the COVID arena and we rely on sampling people with covid. We struggle to even get samples at all right now.
also, perhaps people are dying because all attempts at supplying treatment have been suppressed at all levels.
NIH own trial database shows ivermectin is quite useful. good luck getting a hospital to give it without court order.
>"it is not normal for them to become more deadly."
The COVID-19 virus has already demonstrated that it does that -- mutates to become more virulent, more deadly.
Thats false. While Omicron was, intitially, far more virulent it actually decreased significantly after its initial introduction to the population. As of February (the last good analysis I saw) omicron was in fact many orders of magnitude LESS virulant than delta was at that same time.
As for death rate, no, the death rate went down significantly not up. Partly due to it being easier to treat than other varients apparently.
To put some specific numbers on it the transmission rate (Beta) in february for omicron was ~0.06, for delta in feb it was ~0.11
My understanding is that Delta was the most virulent. So it went from wild-Alpha-Beta-Delta. That's mutating from a less lethal strain to a more lethal strain. It has demonstrated that it can mutate to a more lethal strain.
Also, I think Omicron is more virulent than Alpha (not sure), which is the lineage for Omicron strain (Omicron came from the Alpha strain, not via Delta).
Epidemiologist have warned about the posibility of COVID-19 mutating to a very deadly strain.
No otherway around, omicron is in fact the least deadly yet most virulent of the strains, making it dominant. Delta by comparison is 4.7x more deadly than omicron and all variants collectively are about 10x higher mortality rate than omicron,
Here is the quote about that from a study done earlier this year:
We estimated the lethality of the different variants by using their average death rates. For Delta, Omicron, and other variants in aggregate, these are 0.0020, , and 0.0022 in South Africa (Figures 1B, D, F), respectively. There, Delta's death rate is 2.3 times that of Omicron, whereas the death rate of the variants other than Delta and Omicron is 1.1 times and 2.5 times those of Delta and Omicron, respectively. In the United States, we found that the death rates of Delta, Omicron, and the other variants are, in order, , , and 0.0019 (Figures B2B, D, F). There, the death rate of Delta is 4.7 times that of Omicron, and the death rate of the other variants is 10.8 times that of Omicron. In Canada, the death rate of Delta is , whereas this is for Omicron and 0.0014 for the other variants (Figures B3B, D, F). Delta's death rate in Canada is higher than that of Omicron by a factor of 3.1; for the other variants, this factor is 7.4. The previously mentioned analysis shows that Delta and especially Omicron have lower death rates than previous variants.
When I say virulent, I mean more malignant, not necessarilly more contagous.
Delta was most deadly. It caused more severe illness and death per infection.
I literally just quoted you a study that said that was false and that in fact each strain is **less** deadly not more.. .your assumptions are counter factual.
Delta was more contagious **at first** but very quickly became less contagious. Overall its death rate was less than previous strains.
Death rates continually decreased throughout the pandemic because theraputics continued to improve. Delta was more deadly, but they knew how to treat it better by then.
H1N1 in 2009. That was one of worse flu viruses since 1918.
It's not 2009, it's 2022.
And yes, we should be wearing our respirators during flu season... COVID-19 or not, especially those who are older or have other issues.
And you much more likely to die from not wearing a respirator in public than you are to die from not wearing your seatbelt.
The study explicitly states that COVID is less lethal than **seasonal flu** not H1N1. It just goes on to compare to H1N1 as well.
I disagree with you though, wearing resperators is beyond bonkers to me. People die.. wash your hands, take some good practices sure, but wearing hazmat, no, lol, just no. You will never find me encouraging people to wear full on respirators out in public as a constant daily thing in order to curtail diseases even if it was effective, when in fact it isnt and causes other far worse problems even if we did (namely auto-immune diseases would be rampant)
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The evidence doesnt suggest that to be true... but its also irrelevant... What matters is that the following facts are true, anything else is noise. (these are quoted from the scientific literature, specifically quoting a peer reviewed study here):
* The Omicron SARS-CoV-2 variant is more transmissible and less fatal than seasonal influenza.
• The Omicron variant is 1.5 times as transmissible as 2009 H1N1 and causes 90% fewer deaths.
Long story short, the seasonal flu is a bigger risk of killing you at this point than COVID... so lets stop acting like this isnt true.
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