After the country made vaccines illegal vaccine related death declined. In fact if you compare all countries where vaccines are illegal you will find vaccine related death is almost non existent. But in other countries where vaccines are legal vaccine related death is in the hundreds every year. I think this clearly shows why vaccines kill and should be made illegal.

This is what people who are anti-gun sound like. Do they even realize how absurd and how much lack of understanding they have when it comes to interpreting data and statistics?

But what would it look like if we considered the data we do with other things (like vaccines)? Well most people would have the common sense not just to look at vaccine related deaths but rather how all deaths, of any kind, are effected. We would look at the death rate overall or specific to disease.

So how do we apply that to guns? Well we would have to compare the overall homicide, or violence rate both before and after a change in gun laws, just as we would look at survivability both before and after the introduction of vaccines.

So lets do that shall we. I will continue this thread with statistics from as many various countries I can find comparing their homicide and violence rates both before and after gun laws are passed. I'll add a new statistic to each reply in this thread.

@freemo Tbh. I agree that making some regulations as to how easily available guns and firearms are to be purchased and what not would do some good to an extend, but I'm kinda doubtful as to whether completely outlawing owning and even buying any guns/firearms would solve the problem

@Saederup92 There are some fine regulations we could do but we also have to be very careful as to how. There are protections in place that one should understand first, and other consequences.

For example mental health checks would be a HUGE civil rights violation and an easy way for government to selectively restrict access on unfounded grounds.

On the flip side requiring licenses to own guns could work under a few conditions 1) it doesnt allow for reverse searched of who has or doesnt have a license (forward searches only) 2) It cant be denied to anyone capable of passing the course.

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@freemo Just needs a balance between liberty and safety

@Saederup92 Why not just address safety without infringing on liberty at all? Its plenty doable.

@Saederup92 Thats my thinking. In my mind both sides on most issues have some valid points, and the rest is melodrama. Of the valid points I ususally find both sides can be addressed fairly well. In this case I see no exception.

Licensing being a good example in that. By being non-reverse searchable I am satisfying the valid concerns the right has with gun licensing. Also by requirin it and being forward-searchable I am similarly satisfying an argument made by those who are for better controls. I think there are loads of examples like that. Its just no one ever wants to implement a middle ground even if it makes sense.

@freemo At least it won't require a complete rewrite of the American constitution :P

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