mainstream news: distrust in research is because of all these dangerous misinformationists who won’t just obey unquestioned

research community: haha we’re bad at our jobs actually https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/07/05/time-to-assume-that-health-research-is-fraudulent-until-proved-otherwise/

@icedquinn Isn't this why we have peer reviews. ? @freemo or am I missing somnething ?

@zleap @freemo

We have long known that peer review is ineffective at detecting fraud

@icedquinn @freemo is this why we want better open access to science papers and journals to make the process more open. ?

@zleap no this is what independent replications were for.

@freemo

@icedquinn

Open access, open review, peer review, and replication are all necessary elements to detect fallacies (whether intentional as fraud or not). Any of them, when applies in a healthy environment, will reduce fallacies, but they arent perfect.

@zleap

@freemo @icedquinn Sounds good, It may be something I can talk to people about if / when working in a school or almost certainly at the a STEM group which I am trying to set up at the moment,

barrier to meeting at the moment is room at the library is owned by local council and we need their go ahead to use the rooms.

Sounds like something that we cna also add resources to on the discourse forum, collate links / ideas so going forward hopefully people (esp young people ) will have the right mindset, the rest of us can hold science to account especially if public funded via taxation.

Just a thought that, but i guess there are refinements within that.

@zleap

I've been wanting to start a open-access open-review journal myself for sometime that might do well in that effort.

@icedquinn

@freemo @icedquinn
Ok to this end

https://discourse.qoto.org/t/open-access-to-research/635

I have started a discussion on discourse, if the title / wording needs changing I am happy for the wording to be changed.

@zleap

I've mentioned our peer tube instance to you before for hosting videos right? NP with hosting them yourself of course just thought you might be interested if I hadnt brought it up to you before.

@icedquinn