A lot of stress comes from just paying the mortgage (a payment on a house already paid many times over and over by different people and pure profit)

Plus house prices skyrocket 🚀 occasionally just to make ita;; even more pointless and stressful.

@freeschool have you read the book "What is property" by Pierre-Joseph Proudhon.

@barefootstache No, could you summarise for me in this context and why you think it's appropriate to read?

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> a payment on a house already paid many times over and over by different people and pure profit

is one of the topics in the book.

The book is a philosophical approach of question if property is a right (which it is not).

In the end all property/possessions are being temporally lent and eventually will be bought/taken by a new owner.

It has some interesting views like that renters are slaves since they maintain the property, but don't get any profit if the owner sells any of the goods produced from the property.

And taxes are basically a way the nation controls your rent agreement on the property.

Our existences are a kind of ownership AND we share the need for that *at the same time*... and this might need some level of "property" involved. 

@barefootstache Good stuff, thanks.

One thing, which is a bit of a paradox (that is kind of life sometimes itself) so let me ask you this:

Does a baby born in the world deserve water and basics in needs as a kind of possession or property to some level (not as extreme or as high as complicated certificates or systems) but just that you share / own the world and therefore only right to provide for such new people and in a similar "right" that you don't want to take it away from anyone ( which is what systems seems to do as a + on one side while - or taking away from people on the other) and seeing this paragraph as basically giving consideration forward / "paying it forward" somewhat.

The crux and paradox is that

Our existences are a kind of ownership AND we share the need for that *at the same time*... and this might need some level of "property" involved.

So wanted to see what you think about that as you said or the book said (or both) that property is not a right.

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