The fact that Andrew Tate does what he does and says what he says without interference or consequence, just keeps ramping it up & never stopped being insanely popular with teenage boys even before getting Twitter back shows there’s no such thing as cancel culture jesus christ
Agreed.
Will be interesting to see what happens next, however let him say what he wants to say, let the followings keep liking, then tell them where to go when a future employer looks them up on line and decides to put their CV in the bin or terminate their employment.
This could happen, only what then happens is that is everyone else's fault not theirs for clicking like.
+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄
@zleap @catvalente what entirely is missing from this discussion is that tate is a symptom.
Does the fact he is popular despite misogynist views, show a deeper issue with society generally? Granted teenagers rebel, so perhaps liking him is a way to rebel, but even that must have some limitations.
If you look at some Football (soccer) players being accused and even convicted of rape, or how some of the rich people behave generally sometimes towards others, that somehow they think the rules don't apply to them. I guess an example here, is how Musk treatment of Twitter employers, sacked as if they are trash that is no longer needed or others sacking 100's of workers over a zoom call.
Are there deeper problems? and perhaps a lack of real role models?
@zleap @catvalente
longish ranty reply incoming.
well, tate didn't turn out this way by himself. he is the product of society, like everyone.
i think the problem is that we have no real values anymore. everything is for sale, even wokeness is working so well because it's capitalized.
young men are stuck in the middle (i'd say young women too, but i can't speak for them). the whole "be nice" stuff is a lie, it's not being nice that's wanted but "shut up and play along" to whatever thing is the current thing.
the response in turn doesn't mean that you have to be like tate, but instead they should be what peterson calls "dangerous" - being capable of violence and bad behavior but actively choosing not to. maybe things should be handled like judo, not against the force but with it - like suggested by the "be dangerous" approach. men have higher levels of aggression, either use it as productive force for good or for (self-)destruction. the mainstream hates the animalist core humans have, wants to eradicate it. look at the west, we are closer to brave new world than is funny. the biggest insult against our nature is the generalized "best not get children" push, which started with the boomers telling us to wait with having children until it's _almost too late_. now it's for "the climate". better work for the man and take away the emptyness with booze, you might miss out on life (read: consumption).
i won't shed a tear for twitter employees, if anything they are responsible for the situation. they've made more than enough money off of eroding discussion culture in the west.
@zleap @catvalente and the be dangerous approach isn't even new, i think it's akind to the stoic idea. i'm no expert though :)
