Honest question: how exactly is just using the name of a group of people (marginalised or not), without any epithets or modifiers, disrespectful or offensive? (“because some members of that group have said so” isn't valid).

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@tripu what's more interesting to me is: why are almost exclusively long standing free software projects and organizations targeted by these bullshit actions? FSF, apache, those all are things objectively making the world a better place.

really makes you think ™️

@bonifartius But those whimsical campaigns are also affecting large companies, universities, product names, etc, right?

@tripu not to this degree though, companies usually have enough money to just buy their way out. do some diversity hires for a diversity team and have them do whatever they like in their little enclosed zone.

volunteer projects are destroyed by this shit. imagine if the FSF really just had kicked out RMS and gave in to all demands. they'd be like the FSFE now, a total woke club who usurped the good name of FSF.

@bonifartius

Agreed. Large companies have many more resources to weather (fake) controversies.

OTOH, the general public doesn't know or understand or care about “slave databases”, “master branches” or “Apache Foundation” remotely as much as they are familiar with Patagonia, Iceland, Amazon, etc, so the mobs there are much bigger and more vociferous.

@bonifartius

(I used to be active in the ASF, incl board member in 2020)

IF this was the only thing that "they" are coming after at the ASF, then it could easily be resolved. I vaguely recall that a name change came up ~20 years ago, and it was not far off to happen.

BUT, the SJW/woke religion is infiltrating the core of the ASF (and others), taking away the core values, replacing them with DIE ideology, claiming that ASF isn't diverse and inclusive.

@tripu

@bonifartius

I fought it for a long time, but eventually realized it is a losing battle and I didn't have the energy to hold the grounds. I have completely renounced my affiliations with the ASF, and the team their have done their best to scrub my name (as I have requested).

Once the Chinese stop their enthusiasm about ASF and no quality contributions decline, ASF will whither and die. Activist don't write code, but want the credits for it...

@tripu

@niclas
i can completely understand that. it's sad for apache though. i think that meritocracy got replaced with wokeness will lead to the demise of most free software.

hell, even corporate backed things like go (i know you don't like it ;) are getting objectively worse at a rapid pace: a project designed by old unix folks with simplicity & correctness in mind now has a butt ugly unusable "modern" documentation pages and a cache server for the the module system - which was designed to be decentralized and correct - is running ddos attacks against code hosters because they run complete git clones all the time. all over the time of like two-three years.

i skim the pages of projects i think about using to look for virtue signalling. the amount of wokeness is inversely proportional to code quality. maybe i should just stop using computers :blobsadrain:

@tripu

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