@trinsec more or less a gut feeling.

most of the people who asked to get killed seem to could have used an exit bag or something. they weren't so paralyzed that they couldn't open a valve to a helium tank. one doesn't exactly require the medical industry to die painlessly.

people are really dead then though, not just "brain-dead" and can't be donating organs anymore.

@iron_bug
of course they have a right to it!

only why make others do it if you can do it yourself? sure, hand them pills, a tank of helium or a shotgun, by all means. people should have to push the button themselves if possibe by any means. like i've written in another reply, if someone is paralyzed from the neck down or something like that i can get that some help is required and am ok with it.

in all other cases it just has an uncanny feeling to me.

regarding organ donation: they loudly thought about making donating opt-out instead of opt-in here in germany.

it's just many pieces which on their own are maybe morally fine for me, but the whole picture has a kind of gloom now for me.

in the end i'm just late evening moral-posting here ;)

@bonifartius @iron_bug

> why make others do it if you can do it yourself?

come to the US! where attempting to kill yourself is probably a crime in most cases and providing tools to someone else for them to do so definitely is!

@roboneko @iron_bug you are vandalizing property of the state after all!

attempting to kill yourself isn't a crime in germany anymore but assisting is. i don't know how they define assistence though.

@bonifartius @iron_bug here have this tank of medical grade nitrogen. for paintball. otherwise, uhh, the impurities introduce performance inconsistencies

@roboneko @iron_bug or some helium for making balloon animals.

it's really not hard to have plausable deniability if it isn't a gun or poison pills.

@bonifartius @iron_bug well ideally you don't want impurities and you want nitrogen. potentially, anything other than nitrogen can have unpleasant effects. same for impurities

I mean obviously gasses of fairly high purity are incredibly dangerous and often kill people unexpectedly. so your chances of success without issue are quite high regardless. but still better not to risk any hiccups, you know?

nitrogen exposure has more or less zero symptoms prior to falling unconscious. and the timeline from "light headed" to "unconscious" to "dead" is remarkably short in the event of a leak in the workplace (dependent on concentration of course)

@iron_bug @bonifartius
It's bad because the state is a business and if you tell it that euthanasia is now legal the state will naturally make business with it, morals and ethics not withstanding (because the state has none)