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@freeschool regarding the muppet picture: the landlord is still taking the whole risk of the credit, ownership, and does provide maintenance and upkeep. things the usual renter is not interested in doing. those are a very big part of the value provided for the rent.

with renters who think like the muppets a building wouldn't last a year until everything is broken. things don't fix themselves.

@bonifartius @freeschool

> things the usual renter is not interested in doing

well voluntary renters at least. with how bad a lot of markets are many people would happily do those things but are simply priced out (and yes I'm implying that they shouldn't be, which is ofc debatable but anyway)

@roboneko @freeschool
well, in a sense the renters are pricing themselves out? with a sane market prices reflect demand and supply. cf. the rents going down approximately 20% with milei cutting regulation. for example, zoning is complete bullshit here in germany. there are many empty office buildings directly in cities which could be transformed into appartements with some drywall.

it's a clusterfuck problem - mostly self inflicted. for example if you tell kids and parents that they will have no good life without going to university, many more will do that, critically impacting the housing market in some few cities. if many would just learn a trade they'd be much better off, more happy and could live somewhere with affordable housing.

these things have no easy fix. blaming landlords for not handing out free lunch which the meme does is make believe.

lastly, i had some good landlords in a pretty contested city which weren't ripping off people. it required a bunch of time to find those as well, but it payed off long term.

@bonifartius @roboneko Good to hear good stories of the past. More power to good landlords even... and always thought the way would be to have benevolent lords and cram more people in places a bit or something more in-house to squeeze the fun *and* work a bit a bit like migrants might do when working abroad... but towards social change (the pay less and making something happen together being a bit part this as being separate and all paying rent crushes any sort of progress I feel - maybe not down to when families had to huddle next to 1 wood stove and everyone bee quiet in that small space but paying and not sharing is also cause for concern and isolating.

And also lastly... probably :)... Mathematically I think we 'could' work the same leverage towards the other way instead of making them more paying them off but this whole paying the upper tiers literally sucks the life out of us and ends up as a few more boats or sitting in a banks somewhere.

Where's my mojito and bloody mary (not the Daughter of Henry VIII and Catherine of Aragon who was Queen of England from 1553 to 1558; wife of Philip II of Spain who when she restored Roman Catholicism to England burned many Protestants at the stake as heretics (1516-1558)...

...just the cocktail I meant, made with vodka and spicy tomato juice, I've misplaced it, back on the boat probably.

May life get better.

Agree for a small piece of the puzzle and appreciate you reading that... but mainly a ton of other stuff, most of which ain't right by far... no need read at all!... 

@bonifartius Agree and appreciate you reading that.

I do believe the whole pyramid downwards is a power-control thing in which, money is about holding leverage ( not losing power control respect from your population as that can mean death for rulers ).

Even given what you said it's more often people are born into luxury and can continue those things and the lower down don't really have chance or head-start (relegated to renting). It's a whole different class of life.

A sort of arbitrary increasing of rent is also not the right way by miles (yes landlord did the whole risk things with the risky bank people and maintenance thing which yes is a hassle, but they are ironically just sub-letters themselves paying for whoever owns the block / leases) so it's like a game of sub-letting within sub-letting for the same things over and over when at some point it's paid and could wait till rebuilding the place to really charge for it again!

So why all this? Keeps people working like work-a-holics as a standard template.

We are forced to need money because it all creates debt faster... and as we chase we make it worse and dig hole deeper. it's not a great game at all and children don't appreciate the crushing as time goes on. Deliberate in design as each generation let's it slip a bit more.

Really no need read.
... it's like never coming out of charging others and then state dictating who gets more per hour in the city when an agricultural person should get 1000x an hour rather than the risk takers / gamblers / meddlers / layers of dictators in other countries / career politicians / bankrupts and how many scandals out of public pocket - literally just paid in full by public to X unknown. All stinks and is related I feel but even just the land lord part is just too much.

You're right for a small amount but I don't like the whole thing of usury or uneven salaries and a whole list of blah...

Measurably 'those' people don't care, or act, or aim to solve, and just piggy back everything to death, from the governments to the partners as banks to even let things get bad, run them into the ground to buy it up cheap or force people to sell their ownership (mortgages and foreclosures).

Wonder why people have to work so hard, FOR GREED! So many rich families - could really buy out the poor outright and still have a chunk of change left (could reset and start again like some royalty did when next in power to alleviate the literal cruel pain upon people) but no the business of trafficking and extracting people this way is doing fine here and abroad probably only barely keeping the lords alive lol - so we must extract more as it's only fair on the pyramid... because there really isn't enough money or suddenly, err disappears from public pots. Oh well, back to work.

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