@lerk@comm.network @ster @iamduck No its not. It serves a functional purpose. Enjoyment, staying cool, saving money on AC, etc. Its not freedom for freedom sake.

@freemo
I genuinely don't believe people should be given the freedom to kill themselves, and I think that whenever sensible we should prevent it.

This stems from an understanding that people who attempt or consider suicide will often but not alway later say they are glad to be alive.
@lerk @iamduck

@ster @freemo @lerk@comm.network @iamduck If it makes you happy, suicide is illegal in Italy.

@arteteco
This is a complete misunderstanding of what I have said. Making something illegal doesn't by definition prevent it from happening.

Illegal = punishable offense
Prevented = we stop it from happening

People who attempt suicide need whatever help they can be given.

@freemo @lerk @iamduck

@ster @freemo @lerk@comm.network @iamduck You said people shouldn't be given the freedom to kill themselves. Which is the premise to make it illegale.

I said it as a joke, but it's a very slippery slope arguing that government should protect people from themselves, IMO.
I don't take any position on the gun issue, but freedom to kill myself? I want that anytime.

@arteteco
Stopping someone from doing something is not the same as making it illegal.

I disagree that you should have that freedom.
@freemo

@ster @arteteco Ok but I too thought your stance was that guns should be legally restricted. Are you saying you don't feel that guns should have laws restricting their ownership or use?

@freemo
Of course I feel guns should be legally restricted, but not banned. A gun is completely different to a drug. A drug is more similar to suicide methods. Guns have many other problems associated with them. The drug analogy only applies to suicide.
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@ster @arteteco Also lets be clear" legally restricted" almost always is the exact same thing as a ban on some particular set of guns. So what you are really saying is "I dont believe in banning all guns, i only believe in banning certain classes of guns, or only banning access to guns for certain people"

A ban is still a ban even if that ban is conditional.

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