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lololol someone just called me (and apparently everyone on QOTO) a racist for saying our instance's policy is to treat all races and nationality by the exact same standard... I must have slept a lot longer than I realized because when I went to sleep the definition of racism was WAY different."
Apparently this is what he posted as "proof" that me and QOTO are racist fascists. You seriously can't make this shit up. No one has ever even reported a single one of our members for racism.
@kavi I know, its like a page right out of Hitlers playbook!
@freemo you should be like dave: bash on the whites. that will atone for your actions.
@kavi [sarcasm] Yes discriminating against people for their race would be a way more effective way to fight racism [/sarcasm]
@freemo I was being sarcastic too oof
@kavi I know you were. I dont think anyone, except maybe dave, could say that with a straight face. You're good.
@freemo sorry, oop. Wonder why dave's being racist to his own race though?
@kavi I'm less concerned with his racism and more concerned with his delusional state of mind and his support of harassment on the network.
@nipos bofa.lol isn't remotely Nazi. It's for leftists who like irony.
@freemo I’ve been doing some research and it’s actually not OK to be white.
@Jurassicnps haha, good to know
@freemo it’s not a joke
@Jurassicnps The irony is that if your serious then that makes it MORE of a joke, not less of one.
But on a serious note telling someone it is not ok for being born a certain way, particularly of a certain race, will not be tolerated around here.
@freemo race is a social construct, not a biological one.
@Jurassicnps Well there is certainly some truth to that. But those social constructs give us our heritage and culture. So even if it is social constructed it doesnt make the heritage any less important.
@freemo knowing your “heritage” is a privilege that is denied to billions because of oppression, exploitation and genocide... Much of which was caused either directly or indirectly by white supremacy. White supremacy has decimated cultures and peoples on every continent on earth, and not knowing its history or propaganda techniques is incredibly dangerous. The dangers of white supremacy should be examined with the weight if its historical cost to humanity.
@Jurassicnps @freemo You can have czech heritage, irish heritage, french heritage, german heritage, italitan, spanish, norwegian, etc. Nobody has White heritage. All "white" means is that you've been assimilated into the shapeless blob that constitutes the top of our twisted, racial caste system
@EndlessWario @Jurassicnps By that logic the exact same argument can be made of people who describe them selves as black. Personally I'd rather not give someone a hard time because of how generalized their identity happens to be.
@freemo @Jurassicnps see no, because african americans have a shared history of forced servitude and discrimination, forcibly stripped of their home and culture. Not true for white people
@freemo @EndlessWario @Jurassicnps Omg it's not the same. To some extent, white immigrants retained (at the very least) our family names so we do have some idea of our the cultural communities of their ancestors.
@freemo @EndlessWario @Jurassicnps African Americans were stripped of whatever country's culture they could have. They literally can't trace their ancestry, hence 'black culture'. Please be smarter than you're letting on.
@EndlessWario @Jurassicnps @freemo couldn't have said it better myself
The same could go on for your example. It could be said "there is no Italian heritage, but Napolitan heritage, Roman heritage, Sicilian heritage". I guess when talking about "white heritage" you can broadly refer to those populations who had/have white skin and in the past few millennia have inhabited mostly Europe. It is a big grouping together, maybe useless, not sure that it would be incorrect though
@arteteco @EndlessWario @Jurassicnps The term used to refer to whites in a historic context would be "Anglo saxon"
Oh, I thought germanic tribes and vikings would have counted white too, for example.
But I'm a bit out of my depths on this phylogenetic matter
@arteteco @EndlessWario @Jurassicnps Would they be considered Anglo-saxons too?
More of the fuckin discourse
@EndlessWario @Jurassicnps @freemo "Whiteness" was constructed by imperial conquerors to justify colonial expansion. "Blackness" was made by the same.
"White" isn't a culture, it's a reactionary class-alliance between white settlers and their overlords in colonial states
Whiteness must be destroyed
Actually the danger is Melanin Supremacy. The concept of whiteness slowly eroded by yellow brown black babies. The "white" shall cease to exist soon lol. Melanin is wealth
What the fuck is this.
@Jurassicnps @freemo yes. But I cannot escape my social whiteness any more than my skin color.
Well... not really. I mean, there are physical differences between groups of people, which are now referred to as "populations" in more biological terms, but that doesn't really change the fact, just changing the word used.
I'm not saying there are precise boundaries between a race and the other, but in natural sciences there rarely are such boundaries anyway. Taxonomy is only accepted when it's useful, and in terms of dynamic of population it usually is.
I am not sure why animals would have races and humans not. But that's an honest perplexity of mine.
Genetic differences that exist between isolated populations of humans are remarkably small. Genetic variability that exists from human to human is much more significant. Although populations that were isolated can have a couple dominant phenotypes that differ, the use if these insignificant phenotypes to categorize humans and define their culture is ignorant at best and insidious at worst.
"Small" and "significant" are usually related to the context.
For example, people from Sardinia, who have a pretty similar genetic, have a very high incision of favism. That is, they are more resistant to malaria, but allergic to fava bean. That is really important when you are cooking dinner.
Thalassemia (a blood genetic disorder) is more common in European, South Asian, Turkish, saharian people.
Other differences are countless, from the high incision of diabetes in some populations due to different metabolism, to the how much you could expose youself to the sun.
Now, you think those phenotypes are "insignificant" in an absolute way, that is not related to anything. I argue there is no absolute value of anything, and characteristics should be appreciated and considered as relative to what we are looking at.
@Jurassicnps
Is this supposed to mean that you agree, that you don't agree, for what reason(s)..?
I find it hard to communicate with you, please consider that we may be from very different contexts and making arguments explicit helps a lot =)
@arteteco @Jurassicnps I applaud and encourage your effort to mend fences. I spent the first hour of the debate doing that while people yelled racist at me. Thank you for taking up the torch cause I dont have the energy to be respectable and I would rather not sink to their level.
I completely agree that the genetic difference doesn't define a culture though, or make for an efficient categorization of humans. I am not sure who is proposing that point of view in this conversation at all.
It can have some statistical meaning, if something.
@Jurassicnps @freemo More and more studies are showing this
@freemo @LizardRumsfeld again, not a joke.
@Jurassicnps @LizardRumsfeld Thats why I laughed. Consdiering the large and very welcome community of Minorities and LGBT here (and there are plenty of posts from me showing that) its pretty hilarious to hear me being called a racist for advocating love and acceptance of all races.
@Jurassicnps
Is being white even a.thing?
@freemo
@dennis_reichel @Jurassicnps having skin tone which is refered to as "white" is a thing. Though I agree its a bit of a silly way to identify, by skin tone. But I respect those who do as long as they are good people.
@freemo Are all white people supposed to hate themselves? Doesn't that lead to major insecurities and complexes where they strike out at others because of how they are feeling inside? Self hatred is a poison. It's important to try to accept and understand yourself, then others have a better chance of getting to know you too. I'm still learning how mind you. It's hard work! 😖
@Nyoei I take it that question is really directed at Dave?
@freemo Yep, in a somewhat rhetorical way. I can't imagine he would be answering it. People like that are really confusing.
@freemo
Context matters :D
I wouldn't especially like when someone says "I am proud to be white!" because it wasn't their achievement but okay.
CW: Blah blah blah
@freemo I think it's probably because expressing "white pride" has an utterly dismal history. It's always been a rallying cry for racists; you can't escape that history.
@freemo I've been chased out of an instance for less. I'm considering moving over to qoto for this very reason - seems like a safe place for deep, complex discourse.
For as much noise as Mastodon makes for being open and accepting, there's a lot of hate to be found if you're not a radical left SJW.
@freemo being white? thats a yikes from me
@freemo 'it's okay to be white' is a far right catch phrase similar to helicopter memes, 'right wing death squad' etc . you have to be candid about what the catch phrases are and what's going on, don't play dumb man
@HongPong We actually were discussing that. I told him i was unaware of it as a alt-right catch phrase and asked him if he was asking me about it as a general phrase or as an explicit node to racism. Which is why my first sentience begins the way it does.
@freemo ok i think you should take dog whistling seriously, it is not a trivial matter thank you
@freemo you treat people the same way? you discriminatory, racist piece of shit! how dare you!