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@RichardDoom@mastodon.social @Jurassicnps @bluepurplerain @pixelatedbrat @EndlessWario Of course, as a fellow PoC of COURSE your opinion matters. It would also matter if you were white, but only so long as you arent being rude and using race to try to invalidate someone else.
@pixelatedbrat @RichardDoom@mastodon.social @Jurassicnps @bluepurplerain @EndlessWario I never claimed it was harmful to white people. I only claimed it is a false statement.
@freemo @RichardDoom @Jurassicnps @bluepurplerain @EndlessWario I'm beginning to think you're not a real doctor.
@pixelatedbrat @RichardDoom@mastodon.social @Jurassicnps @bluepurplerain @EndlessWario What my fediverse credentials arent convncing.?
By the way for the record this is how I and other admins (you know the racists you keep talking about) have greeted every single minority or LGBT person who has joined us (and we have a HUGE community here of both).
https://qoto.org/@freemo/100577364473627973
@pixelatedbrat @RichardDoom@mastodon.social @Jurassicnps @bluepurplerain @EndlessWario More important to me is the topic of what is best when it comes to ending racism. Here is what I see. You have a person (a minority in this case but that isnt relevant) who attempted to promote a message of acceptance of all races, who has a track history of going out of his way to welcome minorities and the LGBT, etc.
As a result of this that person (me obviously) is then attacked, called a racist, and generally treated pretty shitty.
If this is how people who behave the way I did, with intentions to do good, and with a concern for racism are treated, what do you think the effect will be?
Obviously the result is you take the people fighting for your cause and you make them enemeies. You give them something to be hateful about, a cause. The end result is you STRENGTHEN the racist agenda. Not only is that self defeating but its also pretty damn reckless.
@freemo @RichardDoom @Jurassicnps @bluepurplerain @EndlessWario Except that I didn't do any of that. You're putting words in my mouth to fit your narrative.
@pixelatedbrat @RichardDoom@mastodon.social @Jurassicnps @bluepurplerain @EndlessWario My apologies then. It appeared as though you were on the side of the lynch mob. If i am incorrect in that then I am sorry for my incorrect interpretation.
@freemo @RichardDoom @Jurassicnps @bluepurplerain @EndlessWario No, it was your apparent problem with reading comprehension, not your credentials. I never called anyone a racist at all.
@pixelatedbrat @RichardDoom@mastodon.social @Jurassicnps @bluepurplerain @EndlessWario I am not refering to you specifically, only the crowd of people with pitch forks. You have apparently taken sides with that collective.
@freemo @RichardDoom @Jurassicnps @bluepurplerain @EndlessWario I'm not calling anyone racist, I'm just saying you're wrong. There is no overarching "white culture" except white supremacy. White ppl in the US have individual ethnic inheritances that make it possible to celebrate their family backgrounds, unlike the descendants of the enslaved and colonized populations.
@pixelatedbrat @RichardDoom@mastodon.social @Jurassicnps @bluepurplerain @EndlessWario While I would never say white culture is in any way identical or even similar to black culture there most certainly are overarching similarities. First off they, for the most part, come from the same geographic regions which throughout history have had ever changing borders. Cultures which are physically close almost always have very similar languages, and culture, as well as heritage. Its why a dutch person who has never spoken german can still understand german, and why they have many of the same foods.
The idea that whites have no commonality by which to identify a unified culture is simply untrue.
@pixelatedbrat @RichardDoom@mastodon.social @Jurassicnps @bluepurplerain @EndlessWario For a more concrete example travel around europe and ask them versious questions about their culture things like: What holidays do you celebrate? What are the proper codes of ettiquette when addressing others?etc. You will quickly find that most European nations have very similar answers to these questions.
Then go do the same for black culture, or Native american culture. You will find there are a lot of similarities internal to those cultures as well. But compared to each other the similarities are less the farther the geographical distance the cultures happen to be spaced from each other (usually).
The pattern of shared culture becomes very evident very fast and it comes obvious whites, blacks, or any other group, do in fact have a shared culture among them.
@freemo @RichardDoom @Jurassicnps @bluepurplerain @EndlessWario No. You need to brush up on your European history. Colonization, war and genocide have had their own impacts on each specific European region, and several historically oppressed ethnic groups/nations have only recently been seen as "white" at all. I mean yeah if you want to say Dutch is basically German, fine. But I promise you won't be able to carry that into the Balkans.
@pixelatedbrat @RichardDoom@mastodon.social @Jurassicnps @bluepurplerain @EndlessWario Well of course each region has its own unique hard ships. That doesnt seem to be a valid counter argument to me.
As for them not identifying as "white"before recently I tend to agree. They had different names for different groups and sub groups throughout history, to various levels of inclusive. Regardless that doesnt change the fact that they have shared heritage and shared culture due to their physical proximity to each other.
@pixelatedbrat @RichardDoom@mastodon.social @Jurassicnps @bluepurplerain @EndlessWario Now if your argument is simply that ht eblack community has a STRONGER cultural bond than white people due to their very sad and difficult history. Then I'd say that is certainly a fair assessment. But to claim that white people lack any sense of culture just because their cultural bond is less than blacks would be untrue.
@freemo @RichardDoom @Jurassicnps @bluepurplerain @EndlessWario I absolutely didnt say not imply that white people don't have "any sense of culture." I have literally said and reiterated that there is no such thing as "white culture."
@pixelatedbrat @RichardDoom@mastodon.social @Jurassicnps @bluepurplerain @EndlessWario when I said "any sense of culture" I was talking about their collective culture. Their evident shared cultural practices that are due to thousands of years of changing borders and intermingling due to close geographic proximity. Just as asians have a collective culture (as well as more localized cultures), and southern americans have their own as well.
I would even go so far as to say that there are different levels of cultures at every scale. There
is, for example a human culture that is world wide (which wouldnt really be worth mentioning unless aliens visited us one day).
Culture is not limited to borders or even to how you identify. It is developed through shares experiences over time. Put people close to each other over time and a shared culture will emerge with just a few generations. Hell there is even a "south philly italian" culture despite it being just a few generations old in many places.
@pixelatedbrat no way, a german and a european-american automatically become best friends when they meat because White
@skrrt_vonnegut I know, all Europeans love white Americans. It's great. There are never any cultural misunderstandings there.
@freemo @RichardDoom @Jurassicnps @bluepurplerain @EndlessWario Saying that there is no "white culture" is in no way harmful to white people, it's just true. Literally the only thing that ties whites together in the US is white privilege born out of white supremacy.