@Moonbuggy Where did you get that 99.98% figure, that is not even remotely accurate.

@Robotpuppy

Any figure backed up by science (peer-reviewed facts) generally. If we use the definition of intersex the current numbers are 1.7% according to scientists who are born with some form of intersexuality. Thus would not be defined medically as female or male strictly speaking.

@Moonbuggy

@Robotpuppy

I personally prefer to deter people from asking others about their genitalia unless they are sexually intimate with the person. As such I usually prefer not to answer that particular question.

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@Robotpuppy

I wouldnt presume to speak for the whole of the medical community.

But generally in language you dont ask someone what their genitals look like in order to determine if you refer to them as "him" or "her", it has always been, back to the beginning of language, that these terms refer to gender, not sex (a distinctly different concept).

Most transgender are fighting for the language that has always been historically used. That is, you use pronouns based on how a person presents themselves (gender) not what their genitals look like (sex). This is obvious since you dont usually **know** what sort of genitals a person has unless they are naked.

@Moonbuggy

@Robotpuppy

At no point in this conversation did I claim there was a third sex, not sure why you repeat that point to me twice now when it is unrelated to what I. said.

In fact everything you said is unrelated to. what I claimed. I never once said calling someone by a different pronoun would change their sex, I never even implied that.

What i did state was the very obvious fact that for the last 10,000 + years of language pronouns never referred to sex (as you could never see someone's genitals or DNA thus wouldnt have the information to do so). It has always throughout history referred to gender, not sex, a different thing entirely.

@Moonbuggy

@Lemondrizzle

Please remind me in what langauge someone needs to see your genitals before they can determine what pronoun to use? Never in any language in the history of languages has someone went "oh wait I never saw the persons genitals so I dont know what pronoun to use"... It has literally **never** been the criteria for pronoun usage. Outside of medical discourse

@Robotpuppy @Moonbuggy

@Lemondrizzle

When did I say or suggest that gender was equivalent to attire?

You seem to not understand the words being used in this conversation and just making assumptions about what they mean that are not the same as the actual meaning.

@Robotpuppy @Moonbuggy

Using pronouns based on someone’s “Identity” and not material fact bastardizes our language and forces people to lie in order to keep someone’s delusions about who they are propped up. This is demoralizing to the person who is forced to lie, and is in no way helpful to a transgender person who must come to terms with their mental illness. The current wave of new transgender “women” are not dysphoric. They are cross dressing men who have made it their mission to invade women’s sex segregated spaces and our sports, effectively erasing women as a sex-based, protected category. Part of the reason that women are so angry is because we have been shouted down, insulted and harassed by these trans activists and their leftist supporters which are legion for standing up and saying we don’t want men in our spaces. If you are protrans in this debate, then I suggest you work to make men’s spaces more welcoming to them instead of expecting women to do so at the risk of our privacy and safety. @freemo @Robotpuppy @Moonbuggy

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